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Tradition is Smarter (2018)

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Re: Tradition is Smarter (2018)

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Post by drekipus »

0134340 wrote: post #154
drekipus wrote: post #147

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This is pretty strawman. You've got to broaden the mind a bit. "We need change to have silly hat day and every one needs to scream at noon., if you don't understand the need for this change, maybe try to understand it first before trying to tear it down." - you can't understand it because I made it up, just then, nonsensically. It is a valid change that me and my supporters are pushing for. The difference with tradit…

If you want to call it strawmanning then I was mirroring the tactic of the author in the article. I thought it ignorant and pretentious to call tradition "smarter" as if changes, in general, are dumber; that's a strawman. And of course it's obvious, some things that are in place are in place because they're good, you should understand it first. And then you should likewise understand the need for changes; both are va…

So is your comment boiling down to "change is good and so is keeping things unchanged" ?

That are you trying to say? I'm not being facetious I'm just trying to get at what you responding to unless you are just responding to the clickbait title.

We do have the saying of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" for a reason. Change isn't inherently good. But obviously if something is broken it needs to be fixed which is a process of change.

Re: Tradition is Smarter (2018)

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Post by drekipus »

drekipus wrote: post #170
msla wrote: post #164

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With government, we have heuristics honed over millennia for detecting things which are likely to end extremely badly, and we can explain them in logical terms. For example, resurrecting the USSR is bad because the USSR was an empire lead by a succession of dictators and oligarchies, and we have good, logical reasons founded on plenty of history telling us why empires, dictators, and oligarchies are all bad. The illo…

Most, if not all forms of government end up extremely badly. Society is just difficult to manage. The reasoning why it's bad is usually after the fact, no one willingly chooses the bad option. But yes, I agree with you that saying "it's good because it's old, bad because it's new" is illogical. I don't think many people are saying that though. If people are convinced that a new thing is good, the change happens. I th…

Responding to my own comment because I'm just thinking about this a little more.

I think it's very much the reason why God/tradition "appoints the king/queen". - The age old tradition is larger than any individual's life, and theoretically keeps the "dictator" in line (as long as we all respect that tradition).

If there is a new period of change with a new leader then anything is possible, subject to human motivations.

Re: Tradition is Smarter (2018)

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Post by midoridensha »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #78
yCombLinks wrote: post #76

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It doesn't matter if there are (extremely overstated) medical benefits. Cutting off pieces of a babies genitals is wrong. Full stop.

Not arguing your point, but ending a comment with "... Full stop." doesn't make you somehow more right, it just broadcasts that you are uninterested in hearing any arguments or data that are contrary to your opinion. Which is good, I guess, to let us know that we shouldn't waste our time.

Exactly.

Covid vaccines do not contain 5G microchips. Full stop.

The Earth is round. Full stop.

Many things simply are not worth wasting time listening to someone's "data" or "arguments" contrary to my "opinion".

Re: Tradition is Smarter (2018)

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Post by vagrantJin »

m4nu3l wrote: post #146
vagrantJin wrote: post #132

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> in short the Monarchy serve no real purpose in modern societies. Id give it a bit more thought. Wierdly,monarchs seem to be the default in human societies throughout the ages. Even our current system of government is modelled after monarchs. Supreme leader at the top, his second, close circle below, ministers below, bureaucrats below them, and finally us plebs. Maybe our times make sense for cold, efficient technoc…

> Wierdly,monarchs seem to be the default in human societies throughout the ages. The Roman Republic lasted about as much the Roman Empire. There have been a lot of Republic and Monarchies and I don't know which one more often that the other, but I wouldn't call it a default. > Even our current system of government is modelled after monarchs. Supreme leader at the top, his second, close circle below, ministers below,…

Hmm. Id say historically Republics were the exception rather than the rule.

> we can have something that works similarly without the issues of the inherited rights.

This argument...

What exactly is the issue with birthright that monarchs have?

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