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Re: Learning Is Remembering

#171
This is true in as far as it goes with respect to short-term / working memory.

But I think it glosses over the most important detail; long-term memory comprises many distinct sub-systems. "Remembering" is typically (IME) associated with explicit/conscious long-term memory processes, but I think the most important thing for learning complex domains like Quantum Mechanics is implicit memory, specifically procedural memory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_memory#Implicit_memo...

In order to understand higher-level concepts like the Schrodinger Equation, one must first thoroughly understand lower-level concepts, starting with mathematical theories like calculus, and physics models of energy. It's not possible to simply fill out an Anki card for these lower-level concepts and memorize the wikipedia page; one must practice performing those mathematical operations until they are unconscious like riding a bike.

This is recursive; one can't understand higher-still domains like Quantum Chromodynamics or Quantum Chemistry until one has worked with the Schrodinger Equation (and other QM formulations) enough that it's deeply lodged in your procedural memory.

This is why it takes ten years to train a physicist (and even then one could argue that physicist is at the beginning of their journey); one must spend undergraduate years working out a bunch of problems by hand, gradually layering new concepts on top of old ones. It's not like pushing a software engineer though a dev boot camp, where a dev can produce something that is simple but useful after a few months. There is no way of usefully abstracting away the lower levels of complexity in Physics.

The other side of that observation is useful too; software bootcamps are possible because we successfully abstracted away a lot of complexity. Good abstractions (even when leaky) can be immensely valuable. Imagine having to do a PhD to have enough expertise to build a web application? I think this achievement is perhaps under-rated, particularly in this community that takes joy in peeling back the layers.

I suppose the other observation I'd make is, don't overuse Anki; it's good for memorizing facts, but not necessarily helpful for procedural memory. You still need to practice doing the thing in order to master complex domains. (I'm open to the argument that having facts memorized might make the procedural acquisition faster, but I'm not certain that it's more effective than just spending the memorization time on focused procedural learning practice instead.)

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#172

There is a difference between remembering something (like a fact) and a deep understanding of a concept. Let me give you an example in programming: I sometimes have to google for the names of functions I've already used a hundred times. Sometimes extremely simple functions (just a while ago it was list.size() in Java), only because I can't remember the name of the function, but of course I understand the concept - th…

Reminds me of Feynman's anecdote about the names of a bird.

> See that bird? It’s a brown-throated thrush, but in Germany it’s called a halzenfugel, and in Chinese they call it a chung ling and even if you know all those names for it, you still know nothing about the bird. You only know something about people; what they call the bird. Now that thrush sings, and teaches its young to fly, and flies so many miles away during the summer across the country, and nobody knows how it finds its way.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#173
I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work."

For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia.

If my experience were commonplace, the "it won't work" statement would be highly contentious in the comments here. Since it isn't, I guess I can deduce that I must be an outlier.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#174
post #2

I wrote this and would love to know what you think about it. Am particularly interested in hearing any reasons why it's wrong

Copy-pasting my top-level comment:

I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work." For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia.

If my experience were commonplace, the "it won't work" statement would be highly contentious in the comments here. Since it isn't, I guess I can deduce that I must be an outlier.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#175

I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work." For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia. If m…

Selection bias. People read “learning is memory” and choose not to waste their time reading the piece. If the headline is silly, usually the rest is too.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've resisted co pilot and auto complete because when interview time comes and you have to write code outside of your toolset, you'll realize you haven't committed things so well to memory. This bit me earlier on in my career after working in visual studios for a long time. I now code almost exclusively in vim. I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, but before you go into technical parts of interviews I would recommend…

Not saying that your advice in any way wrong, but it's a bit sad that the only thing holding people back from such a productivity multiplier, innovation or even completely new way of coding is the inane interview process of this industry ...

Completely agree.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#177

I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work." For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia. If m…

Selection bias. People read “learning is memory” and choose not to waste their time reading the piece. If the headline is silly, usually the rest is too.

Reasonable, but it's literally the first point the article makes. Of the fraction of commenters that did actually read the article, I still would've expected at least a few to object.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#178

I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work." For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia. If m…

Maybe you're really good at working with uncertainty?

This article focuses on the number of new things overwhelming our working memory, but I'd argue another big problem is the difficulty of leveraging abstractions even if you don't understand them.

In this exercise, both myself and the article get sidetracked in understanding the basis of all the abstractions as well, rather than just letting the abstractions be, with all of their uncertainty. But if I were better at the latter, I could see this approach working.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#179

I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work." For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia. If m…

Maybe you're really good at working with uncertainty? This article focuses on the number of new things overwhelming our working memory, but I'd argue another big problem is the difficulty of leveraging abstractions even if you don't understand them. In this exercise, both myself and the article get sidetracked in understanding the basis of all the abstractions as well, rather than just letting the abstractions be, wi…

I did the exercise mentioned and was happily bouncing around between 3 and 6 levels deep in Wikipedia before I thought I should come back to the article to see what else it said, at which point I became very confused.

Perhaps "comfortable with knowing that I don't know things, yet proceeding anyway" is a better description.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

#180

I am utterly baffled that no response in this thread so far has taken issue with the statement "As you probably know intuitively, it won't work." For me, this _does_ work and I have proven it many many times over the years by adding entire categories of technical knowledge to my repertoire. And not superficially, either - I get paid very well to do things professionally that I taught myself by reading Wikipedia. If m…

Maybe you already know quite a lot about physics? Or maybe you have an unusually large working memory and didn't go far enough down the wikipedia hole until you got lost?

The working memory limit explained in the article must apply to you unless you have some sort of a very special form of photographic memory

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