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Re: Learning Is Remembering

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no it isnt, come on. if learning were just remembering then the existence of wikipedia would mean that you already know quantum mechanics, but of course that contradicts the premise. There is something more you have to do other than literally be able access the information. at the very least an installation step is required.

not sure you read the article

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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There is a difference between remembering something (like a fact) and a deep understanding of a concept. Let me give you an example in programming: I sometimes have to google for the names of functions I've already used a hundred times. Sometimes extremely simple functions (just a while ago it was list.size() in Java), only because I can't remember the name of the function, but of course I understand the concept - th…

I immediately thought of the book "Thinking, fast and slow" from reading your comment. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but it talks about two "Systems" that guide our thinking. From the description of the book: "System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional; System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more logical."

The more you do something, or think about something - the more it becomes a "System 1" operation(fast, intuitive). Like typing on a keyboard for example, when you first started using a keyboard you had to think about every letter you want to hit, but now you probably don't even think about it for a millisecond. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Intuitive understanding = Action * Repetition.

Read the book if you haven't, it might be the kind of material you're looking for. I'm not a big fan of psychology and I think it's 90% mumbo jumbo, but this book hit a few nails for me.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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There is a difference between remembering something (like a fact) and a deep understanding of a concept. Let me give you an example in programming: I sometimes have to google for the names of functions I've already used a hundred times. Sometimes extremely simple functions (just a while ago it was list.size() in Java), only because I can't remember the name of the function, but of course I understand the concept - th…

Your comment reminds me of paper by Bestsy Sparrow [1] where she hypothesizes that "Our brains rely on the Internet for memory in much the same way they rely on the memory of a friend, family member or co-worker. We remember less through knowing information itself than by knowing where the information can be found." [2]

From the papers Abstract:

"No longer do we have to make costly efforts to find the things we want. We can “Google” the old classmate, find articles online, or look up the actor who was on the tip of our tongue. The results of four studies suggest that when faced with difficult questions, people are primed to think about computers and that when people expect to have future access to information, they have lower rates of recall of the information itself and enhanced recall instead for where to access it."

[1] Google Effects on Memory: Cognitive Consequences of Having Information at Our Fingertips - https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1207745

[2] https://news.columbia.edu/news/study-finds-memory-works-diff...

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Largely because it explicitly narrows the context, but also because launching service like that increase odds of biases in my opinion.

I didn't mention it in the article because the article is hosted on the same domain (with a link to it at very top of page) so thought it was quite obvious. Also I wanted it to stand alone as an essay to see what people thought. If i linked to the product within the article it would turn the whole article into an advert rather than an essay

Okay, but you don’t even mention spaced repetition until the end and only in a single sentence.

And obviousness is relative; I did not even notice the logo and base domain, read the title and scanned the text for core concepts, spaced repetition again is only mentioned once, even though in my opinion it’s literally both the topic and your solution to the issue; which was not obvious until I read your comments. Think if you were to ask random people who are not aware of the company, what the post is about — then define spaced repetition and the reasoning behind the company’s name, then ask people again what the post is about — answers would be noticeably different; you could even hide the context and ask if concept of “save all” was mentioned on the page and what it means.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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It seems like learning how to learn and learning what matters in the world (and therein how to be happy) are the two most important things to learn. Yet, for some reason, our standard school curriculum don't touch on either subject. Why not?

Reminds me of this article I just read: http://paulgraham.com/lesson.html

> There are now ways to get rich by doing good work,

That sounds like different test too

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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saveall.ai looks really cool.

I wish it were a paid product that I can download my cards from.

I don't want to be in a position where I put in lot of effort to input my cards and then you shut it down.

If the founder is here, do you plan to make this a paid service? If so, when? and will you provide the ability to export my cards? If this is not going to be a paid service do you plan to Open Source it?

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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There is a difference between remembering something (like a fact) and a deep understanding of a concept. Let me give you an example in programming: I sometimes have to google for the names of functions I've already used a hundred times. Sometimes extremely simple functions (just a while ago it was list.size() in Java), only because I can't remember the name of the function, but of course I understand the concept - th…

> google for the names of functions

Copilot is a lifesaver here. I almost never have to google function names anymore because it just fills them in for me, while usually generating exactly the code I wanted around it.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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Calling learning remembering, is like calling a computer a hard drive. Sorry, but, remembering is just one part, although important part of learning. There is loads of difference between remembering the words of a foreign language and fluently speaking it. The process of learning is complicated, eg. good teaching is not giving the final answers to learner, which should seem faster, but letting the learner arrive at t…

I think the point being made is that remembering is a huge if not key aspect of learning anything, and people underestimate the importance of memorization. Maybe that title is a bit misleading, could've been "No serious learning can happen without memorization" but that doesn't flow as well.

If anything the problem used to be that we overestimated the importance of memorization. Maybe it's changed now, but trying to free cognitive load is important. It's the same reason why literary societies beat oral ones. The emphasis on memorization was reduced.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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There is a difference between remembering something (like a fact) and a deep understanding of a concept. Let me give you an example in programming: I sometimes have to google for the names of functions I've already used a hundred times. Sometimes extremely simple functions (just a while ago it was list.size() in Java), only because I can't remember the name of the function, but of course I understand the concept - th…

> google for the names of functions Copilot is a lifesaver here. I almost never have to google function names anymore because it just fills them in for me, while usually generating exactly the code I wanted around it.

I've resisted co pilot and auto complete because when interview time comes and you have to write code outside of your toolset, you'll realize you haven't committed things so well to memory. This bit me earlier on in my career after working in visual studios for a long time. I now code almost exclusively in vim.

I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, but before you go into technical parts of interviews I would recommend you do some coding without all the bells and whistles tools.

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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There is a difference between remembering something (like a fact) and a deep understanding of a concept. Let me give you an example in programming: I sometimes have to google for the names of functions I've already used a hundred times. Sometimes extremely simple functions (just a while ago it was list.size() in Java), only because I can't remember the name of the function, but of course I understand the concept - th…

I immediately thought of the book "Thinking, fast and slow" from reading your comment. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but it talks about two "Systems" that guide our thinking. From the description of the book: "System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional; System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more logical." The more you do something, or think about something - the more it becomes a "System 1" operation(…

Thanks for the suggestion! I've actually read TFS, and I would even consider myself a "fan" of psychology, I definitely don't think it's mumbo jumbo. But in my opinion the book was quite shallow, only scratching on the surface of the matter.

Edit: To clarify, shallow is maybe the wrong word. I think the book gets its main point across very well, and it's a good point. But the majority of the book is just further evidence supporting that main point. Which is fine, but I wish it would develop this main point a bit further. The book could be summarized in a short paper and wouldn't lose too much of its value, in my opinion.

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