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Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another planet, experts say

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Re: Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another planet, experts say

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A moon base would make the probes mission a lot faster to develop and launch, in the long run.

How so?

By assembling parts of the probes and launching from there for example. It would require a lot of time initially, that's why I specified in the long run.

Re: Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another planet, experts say

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It’s part of the sea change that happened starting with social media but significantly accelerated in the 2010s. It hit foreign policy first, I think, but by now it’s a feature of reporting for basically everything. > Rhodes singled out a key example to me one day, laced with the brutal contempt that is a hallmark of his private utterances. “All these newspapers used to have foreign bureaus,” he said. “Now they don’t…

> The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. And on twitter. It's pure cancer to journalism and "journalists" can't seem to help but do all their reporting from the comfort of their home browsing twitter for the "news" and takes all day. Honestly I think honest journalists should take an "Oath of No Twitter" to keep their jobs.

The jobs pay virtually nothing. This is the natural result of sucking all the revenue out of the fourth estate.

Re: Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another planet, experts say

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A moon base would make the probes mission a lot faster to develop and launch, in the long run.

How so?

The hardest part in exploring our solar system is escaping Earth's gravity. Most of the fuel in our rockets and by extension, most of the rocket itself, exists to lift the actual spacecraft off the Earth.

If you can manufacture it on the Moon, you need a lot less rocket.

Re: Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another planet, experts say

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“You’d be learning about how people work in deep space, without committing yourself to a full Mars mission,” he said. All of these "Not Mars" people always seem to fall into the same boat where they know there's zero point to sticking human beings and life support systems into an observation probe so they trot out this "it's good practice, guys!" horseshit. Scientific progress is not the point of putting the first se…

Going to Mars will be among humanity's least revered achievements. There is nothing there. The only plausibly valuable exports from Mars might be the engines that got your supplies there. With their bells cut off.

Until we've fully explored it, we actually can't know that.

Re: Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another planet, experts say

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to Mars will be among humanity's least revered achievements. There is nothing there. The only plausibly valuable exports from Mars might be the engines that got your supplies there. With their bells cut off.

Until we've fully explored it, we actually can't know that.

Exploring Mars more means exploring other places less. Even means mitigating local environmental harm less.
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