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As someone who has been using Anki for the past 4 years to learn Japanese and now Chinese, I've recently found that the initial "learning" step is not that hard. (i.e., given 辞書, I remember "dictionary") What is hard is keeping the content I've learned, _learned_, for more than a day. So now I'm wondering, is my initial "learning" process wrong? Since definitions are fairly simple and I find them easy to remember at…

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#83
Remembering is required for initial stage of learning. The whole point of learning is to understand things to remove remembering from the scene and be able to pull the knowledge from thin air. Therefore the title of the entry is misleading, very much so :-).

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Remembering is required for initial stage of learning. The whole point of learning is to understand things to remove remembering from the scene and be able to pull the knowledge from thin air. Therefore the title of the entry is misleading, very much so :-).

Please explain how you can understand something without remembering the information that the understanding is made up out of?

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As someone who has been using Anki for the past 4 years to learn Japanese and now Chinese, I've recently found that the initial "learning" step is not that hard. (i.e., given 辞書, I remember "dictionary") What is hard is keeping the content I've learned, _learned_, for more than a day. So now I'm wondering, is my initial "learning" process wrong? Since definitions are fairly simple and I find them easy to remember at…

I learn a lot. The way I've learned best for me is to mimic children. Especially small children.

They focus intently at seemingly incomprehensible complexity. Then they play with the small fragments they can get their hold on. "ba-ba-ba-ba" when they're learning to speak.

They play. They combine two (or more) different things they're interested in into a single experiment which we think of more as play. Mushy food? I wonder what happens when I throw it on the floor? Oh look how it landed all funny! Look how mum and papa reacted!

Grinding through cards learning languages never really did anything for me. Immersion and regular (but not exhaustive!) play stretched over time makes the neurons of my mind much more reliable.

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#86
Learning is remembering and understanding. You have to progressively build layers of understanding (and be able to recall it quickly).

This article focuses mostly on the second part, about remembering.

You could recall things but you may not fully understand it, which is going to make it harder to learn.

And of course, you might understand something, but eventually you will forget it (either few days or few years, depending on how often you use related memory). When you forget, it makes it hard to learn.

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#87

Per the author, they’re launching a service called “Save All” — which is simplified version of spaced repetition; might be worth explicitly stating this in the intro or footer of the linked blog post.

Are you saying we should mention it for our own business benefit? Or that it's bad to not state it in article for some other reason?

Largely because it explicitly narrows the context, but also because launching service like that increase odds of biases in my opinion.

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#88

As someone who has been using Anki for the past 4 years to learn Japanese and now Chinese, I've recently found that the initial "learning" step is not that hard. (i.e., given 辞書, I remember "dictionary") What is hard is keeping the content I've learned, _learned_, for more than a day. So now I'm wondering, is my initial "learning" process wrong? Since definitions are fairly simple and I find them easy to remember at…

Anki is great, but it doesn't hold a candle to full sensory integration. If you moved to Japan or China and rid yourself of English, you'd be forming all sorts of associations a white screen with text can't replicate.

SRS is great for the characters -> definition pathway, but we need so much more. Listening, speaking, interacting, using the language to describe the world around us in conversation and navigate through it.

Don't stop using Anki though.

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It may also be interesting to consider this in the context of learning physical skills. When you're learning something new, there are a lot of things that you are doing wrong. A not-so-good coach will see them and start telling you things that you need to change. But you can't remember all these things. A good coach will find one key thing which you can keep in mind to work on. The Inner Game of Tennis frames this as…

The best coaches I have worked with have cues they use instead of, or with, the explanations. Things like "pinch your shoulder blades" and "push the floor away". These give the practitioner an understanding of how it should feel, physically, without the need to go into details about which muscles and joints are involved.

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#90

As someone who has been using Anki for the past 4 years to learn Japanese and now Chinese, I've recently found that the initial "learning" step is not that hard. (i.e., given 辞書, I remember "dictionary") What is hard is keeping the content I've learned, _learned_, for more than a day. So now I'm wondering, is my initial "learning" process wrong? Since definitions are fairly simple and I find them easy to remember at…

Yeah it needs to help you do better "encoding". This is what determines how sticky information is straight after learning it.

One way that Save All (a company i run that's like anki, https://saveall.ai/) helps you with encoding is that it suggests alternative ways that we can quiz you on a card you just made. This helps you engage with the card a bit more as you're making it which makes it more sticky.

Other than that a good way to also improve encoding is to link new knowledge to existing knowledge. Things like Roam help you do this with their backlinks

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