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Learning Is Remembering

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Re: Learning Is Remembering

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Post by quarok »

MoroCode wrote: post #31

I agree with most of whats written here. I think there is a major point you're overlooking here. There is simply just too much information we're expected to know nowadays. You could argue that the amount of information we have to cram into our brains in such a short amount of time makes it very difficult to build good long term memories. High School and university curriculum's are forever expanding jamming more and m…

The problem is that if you don't commit information to long-term memory you can't use it reason effectively in other contexts, and you have to add it back to your short-term memory every time you look it up -- so outsourcing your memory to a knowledge bank is limiting the complexity of the tasks you can handle.

So there might be more information you're expected to know in modern jobs -- but if you spend a bit more time consolidating rather than acquiring new information, you can build the foundations on which more advanced skills can rest.

For transparency: I work with the OP

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Post by mohamez »

O__________O wrote: post #38

Per the author, they’re launching a service called “Save All” — which is simplified version of spaced repetition; might be worth explicitly stating this in the intro or footer of the linked blog post.

Yeah, the author mentioned it in a reply to a comment mentioning Anki.

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Post by dejj »

“[…] the purpose of memory isn’t to remember the past. The purpose of memory is to, at least in part, so that you don’t repeat the same errors that your repeated in the past [..]”

– Jordan B. Peterson

I like to think that Spaced Repetition learning pre-empts these errors, so we are apt to recall when we productively need that memory.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ6_cV_RtQU

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Post by p-christ »

O__________O wrote: post #38

Per the author, they’re launching a service called “Save All” — which is simplified version of spaced repetition; might be worth explicitly stating this in the intro or footer of the linked blog post.

Are you saying we should mention it for our own business benefit? Or that it's bad to not state it in article for some other reason?

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Post by thenerdhead »

p-christ wrote: post #30
thenerdhead wrote: post #20

It's not wrong, it just doesn't cover much breadth of learning nor how humans learn over time. Also it doesn't consider different learning styles. It's seeing learning as just chunks of conceptual information where that is reducing the problem too far. It's not just some simple "move from short term memory -> long term memory" to make more room. If it was, we would all optimize for that outcome. People would have wri…

Learning styles are basically a myth actually. It's been shown we all learn in roughly the same way. Check out some of the research mentioned here https://www.techlearning.com/news/busting-the-myth-of-learni... > People would have written books about learning that glorified this concept. There are lots of books on it actually. Make It Stick is my favourite book on this, you should try it!

> Learning styles are basically a myth actually.

You have a preference of how you learn, no? It's not a myth if there's perennial truth to it.

> There are lots of books on it actually. Make It Stick is my favourite book on this, you should try it!

I've read many titles including this one. Not everything is going to be "learned" with spaced repetition, interweaving, retrieval, and varied practice. These are great modern methods to learn effectively for the short-term, but are not by any means concepts you're going continue practicing past your formal education. (i.e. Anki flashcards for everything you want to learn)

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Post by criddell »

I have a couple of questions...

How do you trust your memory when (as I understand it), every time you recall something your brain changes in ways that can affect recall later?

Is there a distinction between learning and knowing? For example, in my undergrad days I learned about Simpson's rule for numerical integration. I jammed enough of it into my memory to pass the test and quickly forgot all the details. Now, 30+ years later, I needed to calculate the volume of a pretty complex space. I remembered the existence of Simpson's rule but absolutely nothing else about it. Looking it up on Wikipedia I was able to re-learn it well enough to apply it in my job and move on to the next problem.

If, over the past 30 years, I had been using flash cards to remember the details of Simpson's Rule, I would have wasted a lot of time. Re-learning it when needed also means I don't have to rely on my faulty, dynamic memory. For me, it seems like there's a sweet spot to remembering enough to know the concept and then relying on the internet to fill in the details as needed.

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Post by mohamez »

mhb wrote: post #21

It may also be interesting to consider this in the context of learning physical skills. When you're learning something new, there are a lot of things that you are doing wrong. A not-so-good coach will see them and start telling you things that you need to change. But you can't remember all these things. A good coach will find one key thing which you can keep in mind to work on. The Inner Game of Tennis frames this as…

> Maybe that could be considered through the lens of decreasing the number of things you need to remember in order to improve.

This! learning materials who master this way of information giving based on their importance is key to effective learning, and I think a lot of them don't give importance to it.

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Post by saint_fiasco »

I experienced this myself when I was a kid. I wanted to do mental arithmetic like my dad but I couldn't do multiplications for large numbers even after my dad explained how he did it. Turns out I had to memorize the time tables first, otherwise I would run out of swap space.

If you want to experience this yourself but you already know the time tables, you could try to memorize log tables and then you can do those fancy arithmetic tricks that old school engineers used to do with slide rulers.

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Post by v-erne »

mohamez wrote: post #37
p-christ wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in what way is the definition limited / what should it be?

I think learning mathematics for example is not about just "remembering".

I was brought up with this distinction - my family always put more pressure on understanding than remebering but now after mamy years I start to suspect that there is really no difference between those two - understanding is probably just remembering proper models that are useful to solve problems that You want know how to solve.

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Post by [deleted] »

dejj wrote: post #43

“[…] the purpose of memory isn’t to remember the past. The purpose of memory is to, at least in part, so that you don’t repeat the same errors that your repeated in the past [..]” – Jordan B. Peterson I like to think that Spaced Repetition learning pre-empts these errors, so we are apt to recall when we productively need that memory. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ6_cV_RtQU

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