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Re: Learning Is Remembering

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It may also be interesting to consider this in the context of learning physical skills. When you're learning something new, there are a lot of things that you are doing wrong. A not-so-good coach will see them and start telling you things that you need to change. But you can't remember all these things. A good coach will find one key thing which you can keep in mind to work on.

The Inner Game of Tennis frames this as a difference between the two selves. Maybe that could be considered through the lens of decreasing the number of things you need to remember in order to improve.

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The good news is that memory techniques have never been as accessible as they are now.

I am fully in agreement with the conclusions drawn in the article, but the bad news is that even with those techniques it can be a slog. Any Anki user will tell you that maintaining dedication and avoiding burn-out is your Achilles' heel, not the limits of your human ability. Understanding something for the first time (in the Feynman technique sense of being able to explain it well), and doing that multiple times per day, takes up a lot of mental energy even if you are smart and naturally talented.

In conjunction with using memory techniques, we need to add dietary practices where we become much more selective with the information we take in. Places like HN give the illusion of learning (and to a great extent help broaden your mind about certain topics), but the actually utility of all that random knowledge butts up against the opportunity cost. There are already many more worthwhile pursuits than can be fit into your lifespan.

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The good news is that memory techniques have never been as accessible as they are now. I am fully in agreement with the conclusions drawn in the article, but the bad news is that even with those techniques it can be a slog. Any Anki user will tell you that maintaining dedication and avoiding burn-out is your Achilles' heel, not the limits of your human ability. Understanding something for the first time (in the Feynm…

Completely agree on Anki requiring too much effort, its the main reason why i'm making Save All (https://saveall.ai/). Save all is a simpler version of anki that use AI to try and make it less effortful

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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I mean .. its true if you limit your definition of learning..

in what way is the definition limited / what should it be?

IMO, such a viewpoint about "learning" is limited to learning 'knowledge'; i.e. this sort of 'learning' is limited to repeating (replicating) facts external.

I wonder, if learning is remembering, then what is "understanding"??

from my own viewpoint, learning is about something external; for example "what's the word for such and such concept?" ..in english or in spanish?

point being that you need a corpus of consensus about what the specific linguistic-culture calls the learned concept.

but then, what does it mean to understand?

I think the way towards making sense of this (answering it) needs to consider learning of physical (do-able) actions. Because when considering such skills as learned/understood, the distinction between learn/understand seems to vanish.

So then maybe understanding has more to do with having learned something to a proficiency level that allows one to teach (show/explain) to another how to do that action?

finally, to throw a proverbial wrench into my own attempts to make sense, what does it mean to perceive something complicated, such as the meaning out of arbitrary alphabetic glyphs? how is the meaning out of a text understood? what did we have to learn to be able to do it? is it just a matter of knowing most of the contents of a dictionary??

Re: Learning Is Remembering

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post #21

It may also be interesting to consider this in the context of learning physical skills. When you're learning something new, there are a lot of things that you are doing wrong. A not-so-good coach will see them and start telling you things that you need to change. But you can't remember all these things. A good coach will find one key thing which you can keep in mind to work on. The Inner Game of Tennis frames this as…

I’m glad you brought up this point. I think there are analogues to “muscle memory” when it comes to learning concepts, too. For example, I don’t remember all the techniques to compute integrals explicitly, but I know that I’ll be able to pick it up quickly, because of my “muscle memory”. I feel like this falls into “remembering”, but not “memorizing” when it comes to definitions.

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post #21

It may also be interesting to consider this in the context of learning physical skills. When you're learning something new, there are a lot of things that you are doing wrong. A not-so-good coach will see them and start telling you things that you need to change. But you can't remember all these things. A good coach will find one key thing which you can keep in mind to work on. The Inner Game of Tennis frames this as…

yes! i think that's completely right, it takes so much energy & working memory to adapt to feedback that it's really easy to over-instruct people and give them too much feedback to handle.

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It's not wrong, it just doesn't cover much breadth of learning nor how humans learn over time. Also it doesn't consider different learning styles. It's seeing learning as just chunks of conceptual information where that is reducing the problem too far. It's not just some simple "move from short term memory -> long term memory" to make more room. If it was, we would all optimize for that outcome. People would have wri…

Learning styles are basically a myth actually. It's been shown we all learn in roughly the same way. Check out some of the research mentioned here

https://www.techlearning.com/news/busting-the-myth-of-learni...

> People would have written books about learning that glorified this concept.

There are lots of books on it actually. Make It Stick is my favourite book on this, you should try it!

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