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Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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If you want to (or have to) use Apple Business Manager (web portal to remotely manage a number of IOS devices) Apple explicitely requires you to either use Safari or Edge, Firefox doesn't work. So much for the web as the "OS agnostic" interface for the 21st century.

Have you tried lying to Apple? https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/10/apples-business-website-is...

Yes, changing the user agent is a possibility. Luckily I do not have to work with Apple's Business Manager any longer.

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> Using any Google product in a non-Google browser will trigger a "Download Chrome!" dialog, and that includes things like Google's search which practically everybody uses. This has not been my experience. I even did a Google search for something random and could not find any "Download Chrome!" message anywhere (I'm using Firefox). I do remember some years back there was such a message somewhere on Google search, tho…

I just tested and I couldn't get it to appear when using Firefox on macOS or Windows or under Edge on macOS, but it appeared right away under Edge for Windows[0] and Safari on macOS[1]. So it seems that they target default browser configs specifically. On iOS in a private tab, Google doesn't try to push Chrome but instead the Google app, which functions as a browser. [0]: https://i.ibb.co/Htk645k/Screenshot-2022-09-2…

I don't see those particular popups anymore, but I do see ones just like that for websites that will now let me log in with my Google account. They've become almost as obnoxious as the GDPR banners that "Hush" finally extinguished.

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Oddly enough I can't find a better programming environment nowadays than the win, wsl, powertools combo. I noticed the same about qbittorrent tho.

I don't know... everything works so well on linux out of the box nowadays, and over time you can setup everything exactly as you want. As an engineer I feel like it's a great investment and loving my setup has a big impact on the enjoyment I get from work. If you spend the time, can all the annoying stuff be turned off in Windows?

I don't really notice the annoying stuff.

Win + WSL gives you both Linux and Windows tools at your disposal.

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I'm not seeing the force here; maybe dark patterns... I seem to remember being able to change default browser on Win 11 to Firefox/chtomium without much hassle. Its just the edge:// links that will still open with edge (understandably). I was even able to uninstall edge altogether with winget.

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One of the things that piss me off is that sometimes even forks are not accepted. For example Formula 1 TV doesn't work on my SmartTV or on some of my browsers despite them being forks of Chrome, where it works just fine. Not only that, it used to work there in the past, what happened is now it actively detects if the browser is a real Google Chrome from Google (not a recompiled version), and refuse to work otherwise…

F1 TV probably doesn't work for another reason, it's most likely missing the right DRM module.

I thought it was that and installed the DRM needed (widevine) on other browsers. Unless the browser is basically official Chrome or official Firefox (and even then it fails often on Firefox) it just barfs.

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They've put improving their browser on hold to focus on their new passion: fighting decentralized software https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/fellow-research-decen...

(1) That's Mozilla Foundation, which doesn't produce a browser in the first place. And (2) that article is not even anti-decentralization. It's just calling out that the same old stuff is happening in that world too, and the same tools that (poorly) combat that stuff won't work in the decentralized world. The only value judgement is against emergent effects like radicalization; nothing against decentralization itself…

> That's Mozilla Foundation, which doesn't produce a browser in the first place

And I suppose Meta doesn't produce a social network?

Also the fundamental analysis of the article is that we need to have centralized control over decentralized networks (which they refer to as networks of trust and abuse audits), making the decentralized part inept. If you can no longer run a decentralized service without getting permission from a centralized authority, it's not really a decentralized service

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