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When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by Angostura »

Avamander wrote: post #3

I get the impression that the article's author didn't really read the linked help page. It's basic auth that's getting deprecated, due to being considered a legacy authentication protocol. For good reasons, as described. That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. IMAP is definitely more functional, but has a successor - JMAP. So in some sense, i…

> That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage.

And one big advantage - it actually allows you retrieve and store e-mail locally - irrespective of any server allocation.

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

chowells wrote: post #9
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shaming people for not having HTTPS on their blog is not a great look. :/

I don't see the problem. HTTPS is basic internet hygiene. It's no worse than telling people they should mind their body odor when they're in a space with a lot of other people. Possibly indelicate, but undoubtedly true.

Exactly what risk does it have being on a low profile blog?

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by josephg »

Angostura wrote: post #11
Avamander wrote: post #3

I get the impression that the article's author didn't really read the linked help page. It's basic auth that's getting deprecated, due to being considered a legacy authentication protocol. For good reasons, as described. That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. IMAP is definitely more functional, but has a successor - JMAP. So in some sense, i…

> That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. And one big advantage - it actually allows you retrieve and store e-mail locally - irrespective of any server allocation.

JMAP works great for this too. It’s a shame JMAP isn’t widely implemented - it’s a lovely standard.

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by jonathantf2 »

You can still enable these protocols per user - Microsoft are disabling these and Basic Authentication by default as most users don’t use them and it’s the primary vector for sending emails from compromised accounts. Any Microsoft tenant I set up or manage already has policies to block anything but the Outlook desktop or mobile clients with MFA on every account.

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

Angostura wrote: post #11
Avamander wrote: post #3

I get the impression that the article's author didn't really read the linked help page. It's basic auth that's getting deprecated, due to being considered a legacy authentication protocol. For good reasons, as described. That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. IMAP is definitely more functional, but has a successor - JMAP. So in some sense, i…

> That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. And one big advantage - it actually allows you retrieve and store e-mail locally - irrespective of any server allocation.

Um what? Nothing in IMAP prevents you from doing the same. Just because most client implementations assume you want to keep your mail on the server by default, does not mean the protocol doesn’t account for the other possibility.

And to be fair, configuring most clients to retrieve and then delete, or keep a local copy in addition to the server one, is not difficult at all - these options are not hidden or anything.

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #5
Avamander wrote: post #3

I get the impression that the article's author didn't really read the linked help page. It's basic auth that's getting deprecated, due to being considered a legacy authentication protocol. For good reasons, as described. That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. IMAP is definitely more functional, but has a successor - JMAP. So in some sense, i…

Shaming people for not having HTTPS on their blog is not a great look. :/

Noting an amusing interaction with the context isn't shaming.

Though if someone can set it up in less than 15 minutes, and doesn't, I reserve the right to snark. It's not a bad look in cases like that.

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by belorn »

Some context: Microsoft has disabled the use of alternative email providers in Windows' built-in email app since Windows 10, and for 365 users, unless you got one of the more expensive accounts intended for large companies, then no custom domain names for your email unless you use Godaddy as registrar. They have an exclusivity deal with Microsoft.

So sure, one can look at this from an authentication perspective, or simply look at this as one in a line of steps in a specific direction.

Re: When did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?”

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Post by deaddodo »

Angostura wrote: post #11
Avamander wrote: post #3

I get the impression that the article's author didn't really read the linked help page. It's basic auth that's getting deprecated, due to being considered a legacy authentication protocol. For good reasons, as described. That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. IMAP is definitely more functional, but has a successor - JMAP. So in some sense, i…

> That aside, POP should really be considered legacy, it comes with many downsides that hinder people's e-mail usage. And one big advantage - it actually allows you retrieve and store e-mail locally - irrespective of any server allocation.

So does IMAP? Most clients only cache headers because it’s faster and most devices are always-connected; but you can certainly locally download the entirety of your IMAP contents.

Considering you have to download the entirety of the mail contents to read it anyways, I have no idea what makes you think this is an impossibility.

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