Pulling off this coverup would require cooperation of many agencies and lots and lots of people. These kinds of things are really, really hard to do, because someone always talks.
Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
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Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#102This would require Boeing's cooperation. Not clear why Boeing would cooperate given the legal risks.
Boeing is part of the US government.
I do not believe this story is true, although I do not dismiss it.
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the paperwork: 45. Two other eyewitnesses, Air National Guard pilots, Captain Christian Baur and Major Frederick “Fritz” Meyer, similarly stated that they witnessed events that indicated a missile struck TWA 800. 46. On the day TWA 800 went down, Captain Baur and Major Meyer were flying in a Black Hawk helicopter near the area of the TWA 800 incident. Captain Baur recalled seeing an object with a “rocket type mo…
None of that is new. They said that at the time. Dozens/hundreds of witnesses said same. Exactly zero of whom have ever seen a missile before and would know what one looks like.
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Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#104The lawsuit[0] is worth a read and goes into quite a bit of detail about the claimed timeline. Roughly: * Upgraded missile defense systems were deemed a national security priority around this time * Navy ships compatible with these systems were 5 years out, so… * Live missile testing happens at a compatible land base in New Jersey, under congested airspace * Multiple civilians report seeing missile tests in & around…
I feel terribly for these families, but the evidence presented in this filing is circumstantial at best: it adds nothing to contradict the overwhelming evidence (including the recovered fuselage) that nothing collided with the aircraft. It’s easy to see ghosts everywhere, and sometimes they really are there. But TWA 800 probably isn’t one of those cases.
As someone who lived on Long Island at the time, I can tell you that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of eye witnesses from both the beach and the water that claimed to have seen a missile fly up and hit the plane. There was explosive residue consistent with a missile found on on the wreckage of the plane. One of the lead investigators thought it was a missile, and he was shuffled out of the investigation.
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the paperwork: 45. Two other eyewitnesses, Air National Guard pilots, Captain Christian Baur and Major Frederick “Fritz” Meyer, similarly stated that they witnessed events that indicated a missile struck TWA 800. 46. On the day TWA 800 went down, Captain Baur and Major Meyer were flying in a Black Hawk helicopter near the area of the TWA 800 incident. Captain Baur recalled seeing an object with a “rocket type mo…
None of that is new. They said that at the time. Dozens/hundreds of witnesses said same. Exactly zero of whom have ever seen a missile before and would know what one looks like.
In fact many of the witnesses were active duty military and military veterans who knew exactly what a missile looked like.
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#106The lawsuit[0] is worth a read and goes into quite a bit of detail about the claimed timeline. Roughly: * Upgraded missile defense systems were deemed a national security priority around this time * Navy ships compatible with these systems were 5 years out, so… * Live missile testing happens at a compatible land base in New Jersey, under congested airspace * Multiple civilians report seeing missile tests in & around…
I feel terribly for these families, but the evidence presented in this filing is circumstantial at best: it adds nothing to contradict the overwhelming evidence (including the recovered fuselage) that nothing collided with the aircraft. It’s easy to see ghosts everywhere, and sometimes they really are there. But TWA 800 probably isn’t one of those cases.
They’re not just claiming circumstantial evidence. The plaintiff says they have FOIA documents describing confiscated Navy radar tapes that show an object striking TWA 800.
Damning if true, but a lot hinges on documents we haven’t seen.
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the paperwork: 45. Two other eyewitnesses, Air National Guard pilots, Captain Christian Baur and Major Frederick “Fritz” Meyer, similarly stated that they witnessed events that indicated a missile struck TWA 800. 46. On the day TWA 800 went down, Captain Baur and Major Meyer were flying in a Black Hawk helicopter near the area of the TWA 800 incident. Captain Baur recalled seeing an object with a “rocket type mo…
None of that is new. They said that at the time. Dozens/hundreds of witnesses said same. Exactly zero of whom have ever seen a missile before and would know what one looks like.
Missiles don't really look any different to what you'd think it would. They look just like very big fireworks until they burn out (and then they are basically invisible, just like fireworks).
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#108Pulling off this coverup would require cooperation of many agencies and lots and lots of people. These kinds of things are really, really hard to do, because someone always talks.
People did talk, but they were silenced and the media did not report on it: http://raylahr.com/ntsb-clears-up-twa-800-conspiracy-theory....
> No fewer than four serious professionals within the investigation made specific allegations of evidence theft or tampering: Linda Kunz and Terrel Stacey of TWA, Jim Speer of TWA and ALPA, and Hank Hughes of the NTSB. Their allegations were taken seriously. Kunz and Speer were suspended from the investigation, Kunz permanently. Stacey was arrested. And Hughes was denounced by the FBI’s Kallstrom for his participation in a “kangaroo court of malcontents,” namely a U.S. Senate subcommittee hearing.
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Missile damage to aircraft leaves very distinct and VERY obvious traces as you would expect from a bunch of shrapnel suddenly slicing through the fuselage at hundreds of different points. If you want an example look at the reconstructed fuselage Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 which got shot down over Ukraine. 95% of the fuselage of TWA 800 was recovered. It was not hit by a surface to air a missile.
> Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 This is what seals it for me. Sadly, so much time has elapsed, and the world has turned to such shit, that we have multiple other incidents to compare to . Not just MH17, but also PS752, and many others that did not receive as much attention ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_inc... ). TWA800 looks nothing like these.
Test missiles often have dummy or instrumented warheads. You would not expect it to look anything like.
And while normal warheads typically try to narrowly miss to maximize fragmentation, the SM-2 is quite unique in that it is specifically designed with a contact fuze as fragmentation doesn't work very well for many of its intended targets.
Re: Citing new evidence, families sue feds, Raytheon, Lockheed over 1996 TWA crash
#110Pulling off this coverup would require cooperation of many agencies and lots and lots of people. These kinds of things are really, really hard to do, because someone always talks.
Plenty of people did talk, including investigators.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-film-feeds-con...