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Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Question: Why has smoking all but been extinguished and is now viewed as gross and trashy (as it should), while alcohol has retained its glamour? Do governments need to start mandating pictures of people with alcohol poisoning on every bottle and can? Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

This can't be a serious response. If it is, I think there would be more societal good if we put pictures of clogged arteries on restaurant menus from people overeating calories.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Once you stop drinking the hangovers get worse and worse. The pandemic removed the pressure to drink (for some) and now it’s really hard to lose an entire day to feeling like garbage in exchange for a couple hours of partying. I still drink one or two socially but anymore and my next day is a mess.

Sounds to me more like you don't eat and hydrate enough when you drink. If I simply have alcohol for a night and nothing else, of course I'm hungover; but if I stay hydrated and eat AND drink, I can get pretty intoxicated without much ill effect the next day.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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The unmentioned reason is that, even in the UK, cannabis use is growing. Given the choice between the two - especially with the gender differences mentioned - it seems obvious why people would choose weed over booze or nothing over both.

Agreed. I think the rise in youth using cannabis vape pens is partially filling this void.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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> Becoming more intentional about one’s relationship with alcohol can only ever be a good thing. “It’s a myth really that you are boring if you’re not drinking,” Misell says. “As anyone who’s ever been sober with a drunk friend will know that when people are drunk, that can be extremely boring too.” Well, yes. I've been working in a bar (and in charge of it) and drunk people are really annoying. I always used to drin…

> I find bars a bit boring in general these days. No smoking, grumpy security goons everywhere, strict opening hours and drinking limits.

You should come to Berlin :-)

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Question: Why has smoking all but been extinguished and is now viewed as gross and trashy (as it should), while alcohol has retained its glamour? Do governments need to start mandating pictures of people with alcohol poisoning on every bottle and can? Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

20 years ago, if you were over 40 you may have known someone, or known someone personally but secondhand that died from alcohol related reasons, maybe even more than one, especially considering drunken driving. But you definitely knew multiple people who died from smoking, and you almost certainly witnessed their slow decline through lung cancer, emphysema or other smoking related illnesses. In many cases you knew more people that died from smoking than all other things combined.

Also the benefits of smoking vs alcohol aren't even comparable, alcohol is the foundation of advanced social civilizations. Smoking let's you take short breaks from labor. It's was cigarettes in particular as well as social pipe smoking isn't / wasn't nearly as bad.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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post #48

> Becoming more intentional about one’s relationship with alcohol can only ever be a good thing. “It’s a myth really that you are boring if you’re not drinking,” Misell says. “As anyone who’s ever been sober with a drunk friend will know that when people are drunk, that can be extremely boring too.” Well, yes. I've been working in a bar (and in charge of it) and drunk people are really annoying. I always used to drin…

Drinking limits? Never heard of those!

I mean the "you've had enough, go home" thing :) When I was a student this was only a thing in the most upmarket of bars. These days it's much more common as far as I've seen (mostly to other people, it's never happened to me, only been kicked out due to closing time)

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always hated alcohol consumption and what it did to me if I abused it. But I'm really starting to see the benefits of alcohol sometimes. I have issues with anxiety and depression. I have seen a psychiatrist and all the medication he ever prescribed to me had side effects worse than my actual condition. The only thing I noticed that could take the edge off without any major side effects were a couple of pints of bee…

I also have had depression and it's very important to note that Alcohol while temporarily lifting it, will cause an even worse depression the next day. At least it does for me, like clockwork. I've always coped with this by realising that it is purely chemical and ignoring it because it goes away by the next evening, but sometimes it was tough. Still, it helped me fix the 'root cause' of being depressed which was bei…

>Alcohol while temporarily lifting it, will cause an even worse depression the next day. At least it does for me, like clockwork.

Not for me. As long as I keep my empirically determined 2 pints of beer limit, I'm at that perfect sweet spot between my anxiety and inhibitions going away, while still staying mentally sharp and avoiding any negative side effects of alcohol. The best code and most successful solutions I ever wrote was when I was a bit drunk.

Remember to drink plenty of water though and have a healthily lifestyle of good diet, sleep and exercise. Also, the quality of the alcohol matter a lot. Cheap and shitty industrial alcohol will f*ck you up and you'll feel like shit the next day but good quality one (Belgian Trappist beer for me) has less side effects and can be more easily tolerated and filtered out by the body.

YMMV and each to his own obviously.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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post #54

> Becoming more intentional about one’s relationship with alcohol can only ever be a good thing. “It’s a myth really that you are boring if you’re not drinking,” Misell says. “As anyone who’s ever been sober with a drunk friend will know that when people are drunk, that can be extremely boring too.” Well, yes. I've been working in a bar (and in charge of it) and drunk people are really annoying. I always used to drin…

> I find bars a bit boring in general these days. No smoking, grumpy security goons everywhere, strict opening hours and drinking limits. You should come to Berlin :-)

I have indeed never been there... Will have to visit some day, it sounds good! >:) I hear the techno scene there is also amazing.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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This one time I woke up in Belgium without my wallet. The disturbing part though was that I had actually been awake the whole time, but had blacked out completely for 8 hours. The last thing I remember was looking at a line of shots around 9pm. Between 9pm and 5am I have no memory. My body was just doing its own thing. When I "woke up" I was already awake, walking down a dark country road. All my stuff was gone. Had to illegally ride the trains back to my home country. Would not recommend!

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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post #42

> Becoming more intentional about one’s relationship with alcohol can only ever be a good thing. “It’s a myth really that you are boring if you’re not drinking,” Misell says. “As anyone who’s ever been sober with a drunk friend will know that when people are drunk, that can be extremely boring too.” Well, yes. I've been working in a bar (and in charge of it) and drunk people are really annoying. I always used to drin…

You can only drink so many pops/sodas two or three before you hit a sugar limit. With beer you could easily hit higher limits.

Does anyone still drink sugared sodas when going out? Most people are very conscious of this and only drink zero..

Edit: by Zero I mean coke zero or other 'diet' drinks. I was talking about the sugared versions only that have become really unpopular here in Spain.

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