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Silicon Valley slips back to Bro culture

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#11

At this point I don't expect anything good from the New York Times.

Every time there's a piece critical on tech from a news site, I remind myself that the news media holds a gigantic grudge against tech for taking away their audiences and their profits. It's a valid grudge, but it of course colors everything they write about tech.

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#12

I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

"everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce"

This is already not the case and the article very clearly highlights this, if you had bothered to read it.

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At this point I don't expect anything good from the New York Times.

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Does anyone actual think either of them as role models? Apart from maybe having successful careers in respective fields and how to attain that?

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#14

I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

Except you didn't even read the article. We cannot expect innovation by giving Adam Neuman (Who burned billions in VC funding on WeWork) another billion dollars for a second chance. This is also against the 14th Amendment but of course if it doesn't affect you then you won't give a fuck

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#15

I think the article makes a valid point in kind of a silly way, which is to hold up five or six of the absolute worst outliers of the industry to make a point about inequality. Are they a useful reference point to represent the problem? Yes, but that should have segued the article deeper into the weeds of why this is happening and how it can be fixed. There's an implication that some massive sea change might have bee…

> let's talk about it in realistic terms and figure out how to make it go faster instead of focusing on the outliers

The media's power lies in focusing on (emotionally charged) outliers. That and wordplay (e.g. a NYT article said "whites and Asians dominate" some top-ranked schools, when whites alone were in fact underrepresented [1]).

Asking them to stop is asking the king to give up his crown.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/17/nyregion/high-school-admi...

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#16
I still don’t know what “bro culture” is. At one time I thought it meant fraternity bros, as in the WASPy “my dad is a lawyer, let’s get blackout drunk” kind of bro. But in the last few years I’ve seen it associated with Silicon Valley, a place filled with engineers who worked themselves to the bone for huge paydays. To me the two groups are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Jocks vs nerds.

The only thing I see in common between the two groups is that they’re both groups of ambitious men, with a chip on their shoulder of unknown size.

Whenever I see these articles they read to me like “look over there, the men are making noise again”. Yeah, that’s what men do.

Has anyone considered the fact that there are far fewer powerful women because women aren’t generally interested in working 80 hours a week?

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#17
post #14

I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

Except you didn't even read the article. We cannot expect innovation by giving Adam Neuman (Who burned billions in VC funding on WeWork) another billion dollars for a second chance. This is also against the 14th Amendment but of course if it doesn't affect you then you won't give a fuck

Sure, the public doesn't benefit, but why wouldn't Andressen fund Neuman?

Neuman produced a cult that generated a beautiful pyramid scheme for those who got out early. From a VC point of view, the only issue was that VC's didn't have enough of a collar on Neuman to be able to shove him aside when he became a liability. I'm sure that mistake has been corrected.

Anyone who thinks VCs are anything other than self-interested sociopaths hasn't been paying attention.

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I still don’t know what “bro culture” is. At one time I thought it meant fraternity bros, as in the WASPy “my dad is a lawyer, let’s get blackout drunk” kind of bro. But in the last few years I’ve seen it associated with Silicon Valley, a place filled with engineers who worked themselves to the bone for huge paydays. To me the two groups are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Jocks vs nerds. The only thing I see in c…

It’s the size of the “chip on their shoulder” and the transition from people who care about tech (and money) to people who care about money (and tech).

There’s a reason the frat bro tends to become a successful salesman or something in the stereotype. It’s not because they are passionate about sales.

> Has anyone considered the fact that there are far fewer powerful women because women aren’t generally interested in working 80 hours a week

You know, I don’t think this is really even related at all and ignores a great deal of nuance to the point of sounding pretty tone-deaf.

Re: Silicon Valley slips back to Bro culture

#20

I still don’t know what “bro culture” is. At one time I thought it meant fraternity bros, as in the WASPy “my dad is a lawyer, let’s get blackout drunk” kind of bro. But in the last few years I’ve seen it associated with Silicon Valley, a place filled with engineers who worked themselves to the bone for huge paydays. To me the two groups are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Jocks vs nerds. The only thing I see in c…

Tbh I think this is just the classic situation of “elite” humanities people dunking on “elite” nerds. I’ve had the same experience of having no idea what the actual definition of “bro” is, and I’ve decided that it sounds made up simply because it is. “Those people who think differently than I do and also make a lot of money in their jobs? Must be something bad about them. Bros.”
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