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A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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It doesn’t sound particularly human and it seems like it would be a weird hobby to go on a bunch of flights and cause these strange sounds. Surely a prankster would get bored and move on to something like music or silly messages. (And if the airline believed passengers were doing it they might correlate flight records or something?) I think I’d probably believe that it’s just some elctromechanical issue. I doubt fixi…

We must be listening to different tapes. Sounds very much human, very much male, very much young

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Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #246

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I listened to the recording in the article, and it sounds like a human. Further, it sounds like the same human. And I found myself reading the emotional message behind the sounds. So...yeah, it's an interesting theory, but I think it's more likely a prank or someone making a point.

Another way to think about it: there are a lot of planes and different ways the PA system could go wrong. You’re much less likely to read an article about a plane being ‘haunted’ by a strange clicking or buzzing or humming or white noise sound.

But why would I think that way? I listened to the recording, it sounds human to me. Why would I need to crunch further data?

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #180
post #42

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Apparently there is a compact flash card to play music and the pre-recorded announcement over the loud speakers. I wonder if someone replaced the standard announcement with a 5 hour long file with intermittent burps and groans....

If there is such a flash card, this sounds like the easiest explanation. Someone swapped the card with a file that starts with the real announcement, then X minutes of silence, followed by joke sounds.

Especially if the crew is used to the player stopping automatically at the end of the spiel. The attendants wouldn't suspect the player because the earlier announcement ended so why would playback still be going?

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #197

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I feel like I'm going crazy when I read things like this. To me that is very clearly a human voice. Does it not sound that way to you?

Goats yell like humans and we seem to recognize the sounds as human voices, even when they're not. It's probably a bad example, but maybe we "recognize" human voices even when they're not there. Similar to how we recognize faces everywhere that aren't really faces (e.g. the face on the moon). But anyway, I'm playing devil's advocate with myself. I agree that's definitely a human voice on the intercom.

Nice rejoinder. Cannot disagree with any of it.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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I'm one of those people who thinks easter eggs are great, and miss the days when you had a decent chance of coming across one in a program or game. The FAA does not agree with that. The FAA probably thinks that easter eggs in avionics software are a crime. And I agree with that position! Aviation, medical, military, and any other critical software should not contain easter eggs, and it should be an offense to knowing…

There are Easter eggs in military avionics. The B-52H bomb/nav computers had a really rudimentary golf game. Think Atari 2600 quality. The B-2A had a breakout-like game at one time. Both were accessed via some really esoteric key presses.

Do you have a source? This seems very interesting, but I can’t find anything about it.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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The sounds probably aren't a prank or a recording of a human at all. I am guessing it is just a resonant frequency of a standard part being picked up as a feedback loop due to some component which was recently exposed after a change in maintenance protocols. (or something similarly mundane) I have heard all sorts of ghoulish sounds picked up while tinkering with RF and old microchips. Our brains tend to anthropomorph…

There was a post on Reddit, I think, that explained that there were ports in the luggage bins every so many seats that were for for medical comms to run on. Someone plugging something into this port could play whatever they wanted from a computer. It's probably the same person doing the same joke over and over.

The only problem for them is that AA could cross reference the travelers on those flights to figure out who it was, if it was a passenger using these ports to prank.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #201

Damn that guy has an annoying voice.

Listen, pal, that's none other than protean blue checkmark Emerson Collins himself, well-known actor and producer of "Del Shores: Naked. Sordid. Reality" and "Southern Baptist Sissies". The voice you claim to be annoying is the instrument of a trained thespian.

Update. Emerson Collins found my comment in his daily Google alert, created an account, and downvoted me. Devastating. My only consolation is that the master knows who I am.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to think about it: there are a lot of planes and different ways the PA system could go wrong. You’re much less likely to read an article about a plane being ‘haunted’ by a strange clicking or buzzing or humming or white noise sound.

But why would I think that way? I listened to the recording, it sounds human to me. Why would I need to crunch further data?

I think you’re trying to decide if it’s a prank or not. And (I assume) you care about trying to come to conclusions that are likely correct. Therefore I think you should care about things that would lead you to incorrect conclusions.

Suppose the two possibilities are ‘prank made from human’s voice’ and ‘weird electromechanical phenomenon’. The logic I believe you’ve implicitly applied is that most electromechanical phenomena do not sound human and therefore this human-like sound is likely human. However I put it to you that this logic is flawed because you have not heard a randomly sampled electromechanical phenomenon but rather a sound that was sufficiently human-like to warrant an article about hauntings so thinking about the ordinary distribution of electromechanical phenomena is misleading.

Furthermore I think that you’re assigning relativity equal weight to the two possibilities of a human prankster and any kind of PA system fault when I would argue that the latter is much more common. That is, I think you’re answering a question like ‘we flipped a coin and if it came up heads, we made silly noises into a dictaphone and if it came up tails we tortured the device in some way while it was recording. We’ll play the sound and you can guess which it was’ whereas I think the answer in this case hinges a lot more on the equivalent of the coin-flipping process (eg what if you needed 10 heads in a row for the first choice? What about 15? 20?)

One can formalise this too. I’ve tried to come up with some priors that illustrate the point and which I think are reasonably generous towards your conclusion.

  Say H = some human pranking a flight with silly noises,
      M = some mechanical failure in the PA system,
      Mh = human-sounding mechanical failure
      Mm = mechanical-sounding mechanical failure
      S = human-like sounds
  
  And let’s invent some numbers for a random flight:
  P(H) = 1e-6 (feels too big to me)
  P(M) = 1e-3 (feels a bit small to me)
  P(Mm | M) = 0.995 (I.e. 99.5% of mechanical sounds sound mechanical)
  P(Mh | M) = 0.005
  
  We read an article about S happening so we now wonder:
  P(H | S). Apply Bayes theorem:
    = P(H) P(S | H) / P(S)
    = P(H) * 1 / P(S), and in our model
    = 1e-6 / P(S).
  
  Now what is P(S)? We can calculate in our model (assuming we’re describing all possible causes and for simplicity ignoring a flight with a human-sounding mechanical failure and a prankster).
  P(S) = P(H) + P(Mh)
       = P(H) + P(Mh | M) * P(M)
       = 1e-6 + 0.005 * 1e-3
       = 6e-6

  And we can plug that back into the equation above:
  P( H | S ) = 1/6
You can fiddle around with the priors and get a feel for how the affect the results but the point I want to make is that it can be true that electromechanical sounds are very rarely human-sounding and still be likely that the sounds in this case are likely electromechanical. I believe that your argument was based on the incorrect logic I described at the start of this comment and not because you had strong priors that the very unlikely event of a human prankster was more likely than the combination of the unlikely events of a faulty PA system and a fault making humanoid sounds.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why would I think that way? I listened to the recording, it sounds human to me. Why would I need to crunch further data?

I think you’re trying to decide if it’s a prank or not. And (I assume) you care about trying to come to conclusions that are likely correct. Therefore I think you should care about things that would lead you to incorrect conclusions. Suppose the two possibilities are ‘prank made from human’s voice’ and ‘weird electromechanical phenomenon’. The logic I believe you’ve implicitly applied is that most electromechanical p…

Your post is an example of forced rationality.

You're ignoring the fact that it's not just one production. I would consider your position if there was one continuous production with small to no variations.

Why are you ignoring the following?

- the sounds have the length of a yell or a moan.

- the silence between them is not fixed or related to any other sound that we can hear on the plane.

- there are no artifacts, except the weird pitch going up artificially in one of them, which might point to a prerecorded and manipulated sound

- if this was a electromechanical issue, it would have to mimic a significant part of the human anatomy, including a tongue (there are a few productions that sound like the throat is constricted and the tongue is rolling slightly).

Sure, a random electromechanical issue could have these characteristics, but isn't that extremely unlikely? You would expect other noises, not just the vocal-like sound.

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