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Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Windows users don't have to reverse engineer anything before their hardware works.

No shit. The hardware vendors do all the work for them.

Users don’t care who did the work, they only care if the device functions or not.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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How nice for OP. Just a handful of my issues: - only one speaker works so volume is low - finger print scanner doesn’t work - battery life is poor compared to Windows on same machine - suspend and hibernate doesn’t work - random freezes - charging indicator unreliable - trackpad wrist filtering is very poor - boot failures after OS updates I have now switched to a Mac with Apple Silicon. I really tried with Linux for…

> - only one speaker works so volume is low Never had this issue. > - finger print scanner doesn’t work Can't speak for this as I don't have a device with an FP reader > - battery life is poor compared to Windows on same machine I get ~6hrs on my laptop running Ubuntu + XFCE. I haven't ran windows on it but Amazon reviews claim ~5-5.5 hrs battery life for the same machine so seems to be inline for me. > - suspend and…

What is your point here? How does you great Linux experience help those it didn’t work for?

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…

Well, the reality is that Linux consists of less than 5% of the market (desktops and laptops), where Windows OSes make up around 75% and macOS around 15%. So, that is going to dictate the priorities of companies supplying drivers.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…

For new laptops, if you have the option, go for something that has some official support out of the door. Something like System76 or your local equivalent. Otherwise yes, it can still be a bit of a lottery. Everything could be smooth, or you might become your own Linux support guy. Some people enjoy that.

I am pretty disappointed with System76. On my Galago with PopOS suspend doesn’t work properly , the fan sometimes goes into super speed mode overnight, the screen flickers when it wakes up from sleep so I have to reboot. It’s definitely not a smooth experience. Support couldn’t help either.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #70

Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…

For the past 20 years I have been only using Thinkpad from the T and the X series. The only one with an issue was I think the X220 with the SD card reader not being stable. All the other ones are working perfectly well. My current one is a T480. But I always take some time to look if somebody succeed in installing Linux on the laptop I want to buy before. If it means I need to wait an extra 6 months, then I wait a bi…

X230 meanwhile requires turning some exotic feature in BIOS if you want suspend to work properly

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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I have the reverse... Unless you have a thinkpad or some other popular hardware, you'll find Linux barely works at all out of the box, and even with hours of fiddling around, you'll still have to live without some features. For example, power saving features, sleep and hibernate, screen brightness controls, fingerprint readers, keyboard hotkeys and backlights, etc. rarely work. Prepare for broken external hdmi ports…

From everything I've read, ThinkPads (IBM/Red Hat devs seem to use them), Acers (have pretty standard parts, nothing funky), Dells and HPs (both have Linux dev laptops) all seem to run pretty well. The worst seem to be gaming laptops, non-Lenovo Chinese brands, Asus, etc...

Less than the brand, I think it is the line and components manufacturers that counts more.

Like pro lines are what most linux devs receive from their employer and better supported than familial and gaming lines. Also intel integrated everywhere is better supported than a mix'n'match of chipset foo, network bar, gfx baz.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From everything I've read, ThinkPads (IBM/Red Hat devs seem to use them), Acers (have pretty standard parts, nothing funky), Dells and HPs (both have Linux dev laptops) all seem to run pretty well. The worst seem to be gaming laptops, non-Lenovo Chinese brands, Asus, etc...

Recent Asus zenbooks seem to have a decent reputation.

Not in term of reliability from what I understood.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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I've had linux on the desktop as my daily driver for 12 of the past 14 years.

Yes it takes a little bit longer to setup. But once I do it it's just so much more comfortable for me than Windows. Faster, easier to maintain, insanely better UI all configured in my dot files.

So yeah, there's a ramp up, and you need to be a bit resourceful. And it's probably not a great strategy to just choose any old laptop.

But I still love it. 2022 is yet another happy year of the Linux Desktop for me.

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