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Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Surface Pro 2017 trip report:

Basic laptop functionality works. Battery life is poor compared to when running Windows. Pen and touch required some finicking to get working. No writing apps as good as OneNote. All the ones I tried have enough input latency to make the experience unpleasant.

That was a ~2021 Ubuntu. I was unable to reach the desktop in Mint. Kali couldn't interface with the network chip.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #70

Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…

For the past 20 years I have been only using Thinkpad from the T and the X series. The only one with an issue was I think the X220 with the SD card reader not being stable. All the other ones are working perfectly well. My current one is a T480.

But I always take some time to look if somebody succeed in installing Linux on the laptop I want to buy before. If it means I need to wait an extra 6 months, then I wait a bit.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #70

Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…

Ubuntu: Except for Bluetooth and audio, and sometimes it forgets there's a wired Ethernet port I have to down/up the interface with `ip`.

BT is a trainwreck.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Someone show me how to get my xps-15 to run Ubuntu with comparable GPU and battery performance to Windows in less than five hours of work and I will be eternally grateful. I gave up and plugged it in permanently for work and use my Mac for mobile.

Pretty happy with my XPS and Fedora. I switch to X for gaming, and use Wayland for day to day usage / programming.

Ooh I’ll try Fedora. Thanks!

Does it handle switching the dedicated GPU on and off when needed? Any tips on how to set up? Mine stays on and kills battery in about 90 minutes. I tried the switching and it would always just crash.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #112
post #70

Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…

For the past 20 years I have been only using Thinkpad from the T and the X series. The only one with an issue was I think the X220 with the SD card reader not being stable. All the other ones are working perfectly well. My current one is a T480. But I always take some time to look if somebody succeed in installing Linux on the laptop I want to buy before. If it means I need to wait an extra 6 months, then I wait a bi…

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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rallying cry of the Linux desktop enthusiast: “well, it works for me!”

Yeah, well, it's been that way for me for many years now through many machines of varying brands. These Dell machines are just the most recent, and I was shocked at how effortless the whole install process went this time around compared to way back when I first started using Linux. It really was a huge hassle back in the "olden days" of early Linux… Nowadays it's proven pretty "plug and play" all the way around every…

This comment is exactly what I mean.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #55

No it doesn't, even on an Asus 1215B that was actually sold with Linux on it. GL support isn't at the same level as the DirectX 11 for the APU, still has some issues waking up time to time (only fixed by taking the battery out), and is the only device that has issues connecting to my router.

Yeah, I have to second this. As badly as I wish this article were true, even on devices specifically designed to support linux, like the Framework, there are a million tiny glitches and inconveniences with sleep, wifi, power management, webcam, bluetooth, etc, etc. These simply don't happen on windows. Using linux on a laptop is the same as it has been for the last 20 years: something you only do if you don't mind be…

That sounds like what I'd expect with Framework. Modern hardware is complex enough that you have to specifically target and support an OS, and afaict, framework just kind of doesn't. It's sold either with windows or as-is, then then it's up to you to be the systems integration team.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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I have the reverse... Unless you have a thinkpad or some other popular hardware, you'll find Linux barely works at all out of the box, and even with hours of fiddling around, you'll still have to live without some features. For example, power saving features, sleep and hibernate, screen brightness controls, fingerprint readers, keyboard hotkeys and backlights, etc. rarely work. Prepare for broken external hdmi ports…

From everything I've read, ThinkPads (IBM/Red Hat devs seem to use them), Acers (have pretty standard parts, nothing funky), Dells and HPs (both have Linux dev laptops) all seem to run pretty well.

The worst seem to be gaming laptops, non-Lenovo Chinese brands, Asus, etc...

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