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Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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Are these servers communicating internationally? The department of foreign affairs would like to have a word.

Department of Labor might have had something to say about crypto mining.

How about OSHA? Mines fall under our purview.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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It's amazing just how quickly you can catch the under estimation of the internet's potential. Within the first sentence, starting with the word "imagine", the largest image that could be conjured is related to viewing content created offline, rather than creating and sharing it within the internet itself. In the furthest stretches of the imagination, the prediction still falls very short. No criticism to anyone in 19…

This is might just be me misremembering things, but I have a vague memory that, when the "internet trend" was starting to feel less like a trend, and more something that had some staying power, people had a concern of looking ridiculous in the same way they had a generation before, during the nuclear age. "People will be driving nuclear powered cars on the moon!" etc.

Mix in the fact that there was a trend of children making headlines for breaking into various high-tech or secretive areas, and it seemed more like something that didn't have much cause to be respected.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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It's amazing just how quickly you can catch the under estimation of the internet's potential. Within the first sentence, starting with the word "imagine", the largest image that could be conjured is related to viewing content created offline, rather than creating and sharing it within the internet itself. In the furthest stretches of the imagination, the prediction still falls very short. No criticism to anyone in 19…

I think Bowie's prediction for the impact of the internet was not too far off the mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaHcOs7mhfU

Two years earlier, he dismissed it as "just a tool like a typewriter": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmxOq9STmQM, so it's interesting how he evolved. He does already say that he liked immediate feedback from comments about the show the night before, so the point about the audience was already there.

This is consistent with Bowie's genius to be more an early adopter type than a visionary type. A hell of an early adopter.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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Funny to see the BBC complaining about "letting the market forces" build the internet. The said market forces didn't do too bad.

Considering that ARPANET and CERN were both government funded, I’d say market forces had little to do with it.

ARPANET was basically military and educational, and was pre-web. I remember using a 300 baud acoustic coupler to dial into a university computer c.1980; there really wasn't a whole lot you could do with it back then - just simple text-based stuff like telnet (remote login) and command-line based e-mail (SMTP) as well as FTP. Even things like IRC, Usenet, Archie, Gopher all came later.

While the commercial internet, allowing companies and consumers to connect, grew out of ARPANET, it obviously was commercially funded, with backbones built out by the telecoms, etc. I think for most people today the term "internet" is essentially synonymous with "web" - stuff they can do in their browser, which of course came a lot later. HTML and HTTP were only invented c.1990, and this was the beginning of the internet as people today know it. Even then, a lot of people only saw the internet as filtered through AOL.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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> the largest image that could be conjured is related to viewing content created offline Its because 1990s world was still the feudal, one-way world in which large corporations dominated everything and the users 'knew their place' and consumed content and products. Occasionally, a corporation would stoop low as to ask users' feedback to improve their product. And people would praise and elevate that corporation as be…

> Early Internet still reflected that world order. Early internet had little to none of that world order. Those corporations are slow to act and tend to be last to the party. I think you're conflating people from that world order and how they interpreted the internet, with how the internet actually was. > User-generated content lived in the fringes of the Internet in those days. It was the plebs' place. The unwashed.…

> Early internet had little to none of that world order. Those corporations are slow to act and tend to be last to the party.

Those corporations dominated the Internet. It was NYT et al who was doing the publishing and the users doing the reading. Large, incumbent corporations dominated online sales.

That they were slow to react to the changes and therefore the user-driven Internet eventually took over from them for that reason do not change the fact that the early Internet was literally a one-way street.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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> the largest image that could be conjured is related to viewing content created offline Its because 1990s world was still the feudal, one-way world in which large corporations dominated everything and the users 'knew their place' and consumed content and products. Occasionally, a corporation would stoop low as to ask users' feedback to improve their product. And people would praise and elevate that corporation as be…

Exactly the opposite of this happened. Almost all content on the early-mid 90s web was user-generated. The bulk of it was personal "homepages" with low production values describing hobbies or technical interests. Very few large corporations had even heard of this crazy new "Internet" thing in the 90s, and even fewer cared. Almost none had a corporate webpage even listing their address and phone number, much less prod…

> Exactly the opposite of this happened. Almost all content on the early-mid 90s web was user-generated

I guess its because I combined content creation + publication under the title 'content that people are misunderstanding.

Large companies created the content, they published it, they dominated the views. The user generated content being seen by a few hundred people a month in a forum or a personal homepage on the fringes of the Internet did not make any dent in their monopoly at the time.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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> the largest image that could be conjured is related to viewing content created offline Its because 1990s world was still the feudal, one-way world in which large corporations dominated everything and the users 'knew their place' and consumed content and products. Occasionally, a corporation would stoop low as to ask users' feedback to improve their product. And people would praise and elevate that corporation as be…

"Its because 1990s world was still the feudal, one-way world in which large corporations dominated everything and the users 'knew their place' and consumed content and products." I would say that describes the online world now, not at the internets adoption in 1990s.

No, today small business run ecommerce, user-generated content dominate large swath of the Internet. Even what Amazon does is providing a venue for small or medium businesses to sell.

Re: Are You Ready for the Internet? (1994) [video]

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As early as 2003, popular culture was catching on to the fact that the ‘information superhighway’ had some potholes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs

Issues with the Internet date to its origins ... and inventors. Paul Baran in the 1960s, amongst others, whom I've compiled here: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/105074933053020193 > Sources / instances date to the 1980s or earlier, addressing specifically the false assertion by many that "nobody saw this coming".

Vernor Vinge saw it coming too. In his 1992 sci-fi novel “A Fire Upon the Deep,” set in the far future, the internet is called “The Net of a Million Lies”:

https://www.tor.com/2009/06/11/the-net-of-a-million-lies-ver...

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