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Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by hutzlibu »

izacus wrote: post #137
dont__panic wrote: post #18

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Amazing that 20 years on, the USA has essentially given up on anti-trust tech regulation. Facebook acquired and repeatedly copied its closest competitors, no problem. Adobe buys up its competitors, no problem. Google aggressively pushes Chrome and fails to makes its own websites fully compatible with competitors, carry on. Apple refuses to give users the freedom to run their own apps on their purchased phones, no big…

> Was there some kind of official policy shift, or did the government just give up? It's not just government - every single day I'm seeing Americans being directly hostile against free markets and choice. A lot of people (and media) expect and demand that a single corporation builds all of their things and owns all of their data. Plenty of people get outright hostile and dismissive of anything and everything that mig…

"Plenty of people get outright hostile and dismissive of anything and everything that might create competition with the brand they're religiously following."

Do they? I am not aware of many FB, Android or google fanboys. People just use it. But surely would use something better, if avaiable.

Religious passion is more happening with apple, but it seems to me, they lost faith quite a bit. People use it and are entrenched in the apple universe, but fanatic worship and praise I am hearing way less nowdays, than back in the day, when Jobs was alive.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by yellowapple »

zvrba wrote: post #288
ht85 wrote: post #140

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The win11 / Edge bullshit finally pushed me to migrate my last win machine to linux. I used to love Windows, nowadays it just makes me bitter. Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. And the acquisitions... I've had countless minecraft sessions ruined because of microsoft account / store issues. Don't even get me started on realms and the chat policing bulls…

I don't get the hate on Edge. I use it daily and am very happy. Not the least, it includes some cool security features, i.e., sandboxing at the OS-level https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-pr...

As far as Chrome and its myriad knockoffs go, I'd say Edge is probably the least bad. It at least works as a browser, and it's among the few that has an option for a vertical tab bar instead of shoving all the tabs into the top and squishing them together into teeny tiny slivers like an absolute fucking maniac.

I still prefer Firefox, though.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by userbinator »

pjmlp wrote: post #289
userbinator wrote: post #233

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Securing the software against you, to be fair.

Against the anti-virus that granny downloaded from pop-up on the browser telling her that Microsoft support found a virus.

What a bunch of corpo-authoritarian BS...

Keep the sheeple dumb and dumber, and two generations later they'll be even more subservient and docile, pleading to be milked incessantly for $$$ all of their life instead of actually learning and exercising critical thinking, and thus possibly turning on your efforts to milk them.

You can only learn if you make mistakes. They want to "protect" you so they try to stop you from making mistakes, and in the process, take away your ability and will to have individual agency. Fortunately, people are starting to realise the truth.

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Post by climb_stealth »

aeharding wrote: post #257
foepys wrote: post #252

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> Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. It's even worse. I want to open Notepad++ and begin to type N -> notepad.exe No -> notepad.exe Not -> Notepad++ Note -> notepad.exe Notep -> Notepad++ Notepa -> Notepad++ Notepad -> notepad.exe The times I actually wanted to open notepad.exe is exactly 0 but the stupid algorithm sees me mistakenly opening notepad.exe…

Ugh, Apple is guilty of this too in spotlight search. Actually worse, because it randomly changes after maybe 500ms, randomly, after typing a character, sometimes. N -> OneNote.app -> Then (maybe) quickly changes to Notes No -> Notes.app -> Then (maybe) changes to OneNote Not -> OneNote.app Note -> Notes.app etc

I'd say the way around it is to install Alfred [0] and be done with it. Just have to disable the web search option. Because no, I did not want to open a browser and search for "norepad", I just fat fingered it. Luckily once disabled it works just right.

[0] https://www.alfredapp.com/

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Post by ygra »

jrockway wrote: post #291
foepys wrote: post #252

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> Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. It's even worse. I want to open Notepad++ and begin to type N -> notepad.exe No -> notepad.exe Not -> Notepad++ Note -> notepad.exe Notep -> Notepad++ Notepa -> Notepad++ Notepad -> notepad.exe The times I actually wanted to open notepad.exe is exactly 0 but the stupid algorithm sees me mistakenly opening notepad.exe…

At least you guys have software conflicts. I try to run "runemacs.exe" (I have no idea how you're supposed to run Emacs on Windows, but that's what I do), and it's: R -> "R, the project for statistical computing" (fair I suppose) Ru -> Run (what is "run"? It's that little dialog box from Windows 3.1 where you can type in an executable to run) Run -> Run Rune -> RuneScape (not something I have installed) Runem -> Some…

It gets a lot better when you turn of web searches for the start menu search. Perhaps some people like having a single place to search for applications to run, documents on their PC, and things on the web. But I'm not one of them, and it slows down the search as well.

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Post by alexvoda »

jrockway wrote: post #291
foepys wrote: post #252

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> Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. It's even worse. I want to open Notepad++ and begin to type N -> notepad.exe No -> notepad.exe Not -> Notepad++ Note -> notepad.exe Notep -> Notepad++ Notepa -> Notepad++ Notepad -> notepad.exe The times I actually wanted to open notepad.exe is exactly 0 but the stupid algorithm sees me mistakenly opening notepad.exe…

At least you guys have software conflicts. I try to run "runemacs.exe" (I have no idea how you're supposed to run Emacs on Windows, but that's what I do), and it's: R -> "R, the project for statistical computing" (fair I suppose) Ru -> Run (what is "run"? It's that little dialog box from Windows 3.1 where you can type in an executable to run) Run -> Run Rune -> RuneScape (not something I have installed) Runem -> Some…

Apparently Powertoys Run does all of this correctly. It's also made by MS and its a QuickSilver/Alfred/KRunnrr/etc. style launcer.

This makes it even more inexcusable for the default Windows behaviour to be stupid.

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Post by ringer »

jrockway wrote: post #291
foepys wrote: post #252

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> Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. It's even worse. I want to open Notepad++ and begin to type N -> notepad.exe No -> notepad.exe Not -> Notepad++ Note -> notepad.exe Notep -> Notepad++ Notepa -> Notepad++ Notepad -> notepad.exe The times I actually wanted to open notepad.exe is exactly 0 but the stupid algorithm sees me mistakenly opening notepad.exe…

At least you guys have software conflicts. I try to run "runemacs.exe" (I have no idea how you're supposed to run Emacs on Windows, but that's what I do), and it's: R -> "R, the project for statistical computing" (fair I suppose) Ru -> Run (what is "run"? It's that little dialog box from Windows 3.1 where you can type in an executable to run) Run -> Run Rune -> RuneScape (not something I have installed) Runem -> Some…

> Ru -> Run (what is "run"? It's that little dialog box from Windows 3.1 where you can type in an executable to run)

This is the best. It opens immediately, no animations, ads, etc. I have a .bin folder in my home dir with full off shortcuts, this folder added to the $PATH so I just need to type my shortcuts to open any app.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Post by executesorder66 »

causality0 wrote: post #182
arnvald wrote: post #3

They're right, recently I've installed some Windows update for my parents and I had to reject like 5 suggested changes - installing Office trial, switching default browser to Edge yet again, and more. But this goes way beyond the browsers - I've never explicitly installed Keychain on my iphone and yet it shows as an option next to 1password every time I fill in a password field. Google calendar asks me to install an…

I wish I could just mail Microsoft a check and a note that says "I am not a tech ignoramus, stop treating me like your side bitch" and get the same Windows experience I was enjoying a decade ago.

So stop using windows then. The more you use their stuff the more you enable them to pull this kind of crap.

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Post by grey_earthling »

The EU's browser ballot was a solution to the wrong problem. The problem wasn't that IE had a monopoly within Windows; it was that Windows had a monopoly on computer OSes.

(And Microsoft actively reinforced it by saying that if you sell other OSes on a “PC” they won't let you sell Windows.)

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Post by moogly »

ringer wrote: post #307
jrockway wrote: post #291

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At least you guys have software conflicts. I try to run "runemacs.exe" (I have no idea how you're supposed to run Emacs on Windows, but that's what I do), and it's: R -> "R, the project for statistical computing" (fair I suppose) Ru -> Run (what is "run"? It's that little dialog box from Windows 3.1 where you can type in an executable to run) Run -> Run Rune -> RuneScape (not something I have installed) Runem -> Some…

> Ru -> Run (what is "run"? It's that little dialog box from Windows 3.1 where you can type in an executable to run) This is the best. It opens immediately, no animations, ads, etc. I have a .bin folder in my home dir with full off shortcuts, this folder added to the $PATH so I just need to type my shortcuts to open any app.

Solid protip. Been doing the same since Windows 98.
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