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A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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Unrelated, but brings back memories… Back when I was in college some twenty years ago, we somehow managed to stumble upon a phone number we could call that would connect us directly to passengers in some unknown elevator car in some distant city. We had great fun with that for a while.

Funny on so many levels.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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I doubt courts would interpret "hacked into an airplane's communication system" as a silly prank, but I ANAL.

Plugging in a Bluetooth transmitter into a user-accessible port and using the system as intended is "hacking" now? Sure, passengers weren't intended to use that port, but from a system perspective the system is being used as intended with no interference or exploitation. I'm not sure this system can even be "hacked" short of disassembling parts of the plane and tapping into the communications wiring.

We can debate if I've used "hacked" loosely without giving too much thought to my comment, but my point is that whoever did this (on a few flights, allegedly) has "gained unauthorized access to a computer system" (which broadly fits most definitions I find). Besides, unless I missed something we have no idea if they just paired with Bluetooth or did something else.

Maybe I'm off-base and they're just risking an airline ban, but it seems (to my uninformed opinion) that doing that on an flying airplane is playing with fire that the airline won't sue and that, if they do, it'll be a clement judge which won't make an example out of them for messing with an airplane's computer, safety critical or not.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt courts would interpret "hacked into an airplane's communication system" as a silly prank, but I ANAL.

Plugging in a Bluetooth transmitter into a user-accessible port and using the system as intended is "hacking" now? Sure, passengers weren't intended to use that port, but from a system perspective the system is being used as intended with no interference or exploitation. I'm not sure this system can even be "hacked" short of disassembling parts of the plane and tapping into the communications wiring.

Depending on the technical means used, it might not be proper to consider it to be hacking in, say, the CFAA sense, but you're still not supposed to do things that have the result of preventing a flight crew from making announcements to passengers. Even if you did those things with an otherwise perfectly legitimate means like playing a sound with a cell phone, playing a sound with a tape recorder, or playing a sound with your voice.

I would be happy to agree that the CFAA is overbroad. But disruptive actions toward flights and aircraft are quite reasonably punishable under other theories, when they could plausibly create a risk for aviation, regardless of the means.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #73

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This might narrow it down some, but I have been on weekend flights that I recognized people on the return leg from the away leg. But even going from 200+ people to 10 would help

They have reports going back to June. It'll almost certainly solve the case if it's one individual.

The person doing it might not be on the affected flights. Instead they plant something on the plane during a different flight (or between flights if they are an insider who can get access to the plane between flights) that is hooked into the PA system and has a recording that it plays after a time delay or perhaps when the cabin pressure lowers or perhaps both (e.g., delay 48 hours than start when the cabin pressure lowers).

If the device had a long time delay or a delay based on the number of flights they might have to check many flights before the affected flight. And there is no guarantee the person would use the same delay each time.

If they pick flights on routes that have a lot of repeat travelers and the delays on the device make it so the airline has to look at a fews days worth of flights to get the suspects for each incidents then I'd not be surprised if there are may people that were on all the planes sometime before the affected flights.

The big problem I see with it being done by someone not on the flight is that surely after the first couple of times the PA system is going to get thoroughly inspected and the device would be found. The mystery would then just be "who", rather than the "how" mystery that we currently (at least publicly) have.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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post #144
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have reports going back to June. It'll almost certainly solve the case if it's one individual.

The person doing it might not be on the affected flights. Instead they plant something on the plane during a different flight (or between flights if they are an insider who can get access to the plane between flights) that is hooked into the PA system and has a recording that it plays after a time delay or perhaps when the cabin pressure lowers or perhaps both (e.g., delay 48 hours than start when the cabin pressure…

That would be a very clever prank. Maybe it even has an antenna to connect to cellular or satellite-internet so that the person that control it.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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Ghosts go to heaven but that’s high in the sky. Planes fly higher and higher for better fuel efficiency and are starting to capture some of the lower ghosts. Boeing is suppressing this.

Lost souls on Boeing planes isn't too far fetched. Lord Xenu flew in all those thetans on rocket powered DC-8's which were originally made by McDonnell Douglas who merged with Boeing. Basically Snakes on a Plane but with souls and Tom Cruise.

I love it when Ockham's razor can cut straight through the bullshit and leave us with the simplest answer, like the clear one you provided.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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I could definitely be wrong but my go-to assumption when the source originates from Tiktok is to assume it's fake or staged.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was the case - kind of like an internet flash mob all in on the joke, waiting for reputable news sources to pick it up and show their lack of journalistic integrity.

> show their lack of journalistic integrity.

I mean, the only thing I could see them doing is asking the flight attendants or AA, but both of those are likely hard to get an actual answers for (AA would most likely say 'we are investigating' and would never follow-up). If something is on social media and there are enough corroborating accounts, it's probably enough to write a news article about.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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I could definitely be wrong but my go-to assumption when the source originates from Tiktok is to assume it's fake or staged.

Where did it say the source was from tiktok? They cited several separate Tweets about this same issue across multiple flights. They have recordings too

The recordings have the TikTok watermark.

Re: A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements

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I wonder if AA has cross referenced the passenger list of each of the flights to see if there was a common passenger to all the flights.

It could also be a maintenance person who has access to other parts of the plane. Did all the flights go through the same airport at any point? Or what if it’s something a flight attendant did? If so, it could even be flights through different airports.
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