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Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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The same Florida that passed a law specifically to punish Disney because they spoke out against the “Don’t Say Gay” law and passed the “Stop Woke” act?

While I'm sure Florida's motivation was entirely reactionary, the fact that disney has self proclaimed "leftists" defending a literal company town shows how great their propaganda is.

Yup. Normally the left is like “corporations aren’t people!” and “corporations should have less power, not more!”.

Then Florida tells Disney to watch its step and the left come out in defense of a massive corporation - “why won’t you leave poor Disney Corp alone!!”

Really amazing to see.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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> You can certainly find scholarly treatments of this point if you look on Google scholar. Have you done so to sources your own statements?

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/social-science-histo...

Found the same thing googling myself.

Posting a link rather than quoting the relevant parts make me think that's all you did, once I called you on it. Should you be held to the same high standard?:

> take on the best existing scholarship on the subject and give references to support their arguments

You essentially put the burden on me to figure out how this document supports your argument - that the majority of white lynching (in some unspecified time period) where racially motivated.

I've also found quite a few that argue white lynching were motivated by support for progressive racial causes, but yet to find concrete statistics/evidence supporting that conclusion either.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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So in fact, you do want the same government to “keep social media in check” that in another story that was on the front page was the government encouraging social media to censor speech? Would you want that same government to force HN to allow political topics? Would it apply to religious organizations that set up a social media platform? You said yourself it would be a “negative outcome”. The state pushing this is t…

I think that the last sentence already answered all the questions you just asked. "The government should keep social media platforms in check and protect their citizens against censorship (in any form, as long as it is lawful) on large, influential platforms." > Would you want that same government to force HN to allow political topics? If we were talking politics and Dang would censor anyone because of their ideology…

So the government should pass laws that tell private companies what they can’t talk about. But the government should also pass laws that force companies to publish every other opinion? Isn’t that the government now controlling free speech?

Isn’t the government in fact pushing a narrative when they don’t allow companies to focus on sexual an racial harassment? Should companies not train interviewers that you shouldn’t discriminate based on someone’s accent or where they went to school?

If I set up a website where I want to talk about Christianity should I not be allowed to ban discussions about Islam or vice versa?

And there are very much “labels” when I as Black person was the dev lead for local company in the South where any time consultants and vendors came in they automatically assumed one of my reports - a white guy - was the manager.

It even happened at a business lunch with my team. The waitress asked the table in general was this one check or separate. I said one check, started pulling out my wallet and she still handed the check to the guy who I assume looked like a manager even though I was the only one reaching for a credit card.

My family is “labeled” all of the time when we “look like we don’t belong” somewhere in our city that was as recently as the mid 80s a “sundown town” and we are still very much the minority (less than 4%).

My 6 foot 5 step son who has lived in the burbs all of his life is very much “labeled” when he walks into a store.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Any one who files to be a candidate is a candidate. Any one who publishes their work, cites their sources, and signs their (real) name is a journalist. I don't have the heart to respond to the rest of your objections.

> Any one who files to be a candidate is a candidate OK, but this can then be misused for other causes — for example, in the UK there is a deposit that general election candidates have to pay, which IIRC was introduced because too many people kept filing to be candidates because that was a way to get out of a legal obligation (draft, I think). I expect the same here. Is anyone illegible to file for candidacy? Is this…

Filing restrictions vary. Like no felons, under active investigation, lives within same jurisdiction.

We definitely have too many candidates. In practice, other filters, rightly or wrongly, cull the herd to only "serious candidates". Basically, ability to raise money and get endorsements. If you squint, they both kinda look like forms of social proof.

The political parties used to be the filter, but now they're impotent. For better or worse.

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> I don't think I warrant that status.

Maybe not. But name some "journalists" in corporate media who have your credibility and authenticity.

By my definition, you are far more of a journalist than most talking heads and pundits can even claim to be. (Whereas anonymous coward me is not.)

A "professional journalist" also has the resources to do fact checking and corrections (errata).

Most of the news and analysis I consume today comes from podcasts, bloggers, and books.

That's not great.

Using Manufacturing Consent's thesis of media filters, because I don't have another model, it comes down to who is "in charge". Right now, our society's choices for mass news are corporate propaganda and corporate recommenders (algorithmic hate machines). Some people can afford to buy high quality bespoke news. Some are quirky or crazy enough (news junkies) to keep their own ledger (bozo list).

There are some exceptions. HN, metafilter, user groups (aka special interest groups) like some subreddits and ravelry.org, can also provide higher signal to noise over a longer time frame.

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Thanks for humoring me and reading this far. I write to understand and it helps me to go thru the effort.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Yes I’m sure other people in the city really want to take on Disney’s debt and want to take responsibility for zoning, police, fire, etc for Disney?

The "concerned citizens" likely don't want Disney being adversely affected because it affects their business. Their reasoning has nothing to do with the debt or the responsibility for zoning, etc. The debt is how they are arguing that the government has the same interest as them (and in particular, that there is something illicit going on). By ignoring the potential benefits and pointing out the potential harms, they…

Can you point to any article where the local government is salivating over wanting to take over Disney? How does it possibly help the surrounding city?

There is a huge movement in the metro Atlanta area to either break off from the larger city or to incorporate county areas so they can have more local control. There is no movement to take over larger responsibilities by the taxpayers.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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I think that the last sentence already answered all the questions you just asked. "The government should keep social media platforms in check and protect their citizens against censorship (in any form, as long as it is lawful) on large, influential platforms." > Would you want that same government to force HN to allow political topics? If we were talking politics and Dang would censor anyone because of their ideology…

So the government should pass laws that tell private companies what they can’t talk about. But the government should also pass laws that force companies to publish every other opinion? Isn’t that the government now controlling free speech? Isn’t the government in fact pushing a narrative when they don’t allow companies to focus on sexual an racial harassment? Should companies not train interviewers that you shouldn’t…

I find it amusing you continue with the Cathy Newman reenactment.

>So the government should pass laws that tell private companies what they can’t talk about.

Yes, they should not allow private companies to spew and enforce systems of prejudices.

> But the government should also pass laws that force companies to publish every other opinion?

Yes, that's the free speech part, you know.

> Isn’t that the government now controlling free speech?

Not even close.

> Isn’t the government in fact pushing a narrative when they don’t allow companies to focus on sexual an racial harassment?

Except it only happens when it doesn't actually happen, and you look through a lens of prejudices, like the law attempted to prohibit. We have a justice system for when it actually does happen, though.

> Should companies not train interviewers that you shouldn’t discriminate based on someone’s accent or where they went to school?

And that is exactly what the law would prevent; "teaching or business practices that contend members of one ethnic group are inherently racist and should feel guilt for past actions committed by others".

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Sexual education is not 'talking dirty' and 3rd graders are usually around 9 years old.

If you can't see the obvious difference between covering the district approved sex ed curriculum and trying to push the legal limits of what you are allowed to say to children before you go to prison, you should not be allowed around children.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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> Laws like this are intentionally vague so we can put such a person under the prison where they belong without having to worry about them weaseling out of it. This is freedom, apparently.

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Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Does the bill in fact restrict anyone from saying the word "gay"? If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation.

> If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation. Just like the reframing of "woke" and "critical race theory" are misinformation - right? Right? I have accepted that reframing language is now a legitimate political tool, and from my PoV, the right has been doing it a lot, such as labelling any milquetoast protest by groups nominally on the left an "insurrection" after 1/6. I believe it's a delibe…

I was raised that two wrongs don't make right. I'll continue to take the high road. I don't need to score points against anyone else.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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There is a "satire[1]" meme floating with some disinformation about book bans in Florida. However, the state is second, only behind Texas, in actual book bans[2]. Relatedly, the vague "don't say gay" law has a significant impact on LGBTQ teachers right to free expression -- straight teachers are totally free to talk about their spouses, for example, but gay teachers are not. Quite reminiscent of the "don't ask don't…

Does the bill in fact restrict anyone from saying the word "gay"? If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation.

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It does not ban nor prevent the use of the word "gay." Asserting so is pushing information that is false, hence misinformation.

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