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Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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The thing is, just because it seems as though if the nonsense rules were enforced impartially they'd look like fools doesn't help you because they'll be the ones deciding how the rules are to be enforced. If you explain "literacy test" voting laws prior to the US Voting Rights Act without that sort of context people imagine well, you send one smart black teacher, they do a few lessons, next year every black person in…

> if you complain about this loudly enough well, maybe you have an unlucky "accident" Lynchings are never this circumspect.

In retrospect, no. But reality was never so clear cut, especially contemporaneously. Lynchings of whites wasn't uncommon. The so-called "last lynching in California" was of two white murder suspects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Hart#Lynching_of_Thurmo... The application of lynchings were, however, disproportionate, and this must have at least been apparent to anyone who cared to consider the question. According to Wikipedia, between 1883 and 1941, "3,265 were black, 1,082 were white." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

Accounts of lynchings also emphasize the treatment of black bodies as evidence of disdain. But even lynchings of white victims often involved mutilation and the taking of "souvenirs", as in the aforementioned lynching. Again, no doubt this was disproportionate, but even the most obvious sorts of discrimination aren't as "black & white" as popular narratives would have you believe. (NB: I'm not challenging the idea or existence of disdain regarding black bodies.)

I think these finer distinctions matter because they're fundamental to understanding the concept of systemic racism--arguably, there really is no other kind but systemic racism. To sell the idea of systemic racism, we tend to shape historical narratives to better fit how people conceive of racism. But taking that license can be counter-productive as it then makes it easier to refute or justify claims of racism, or the very notion of racism, particularly for those so inclined.

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> Let's please not make the mistake of saying all issues that relate to freedom of speech are First Amendment issues. The problem is when government and social media actively collude to side step the government’s responsibility to the first amendment…the government has dragged the social media companies into first amendment territory. You have two ways of handling this: one…have the government police itself…which it…

> The problem is when government and social media actively collude to side step the government’s responsibility to the first amendment The government's responsibility to the First Amendment is "don't make laws that limit freedom of religion, speech or assembly". I don't know what it means for government to collude with a third party to side-step that responsibility.

The wording if the Constitution is about making a law. But it has become accepted that it means the government shouldn't have a say in it. And you, as a free citizen, shouldn't want them to.

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The issue at hand is whether or not you can spend unlimited amounts of money on that speech via a corporation. Individuals cannot spend unlimited money donating to political campaigns, for instance. Ultimately, we value free speech because it leads to a more fair and just society. It's not a rule that is followed by blind faith. Personally, I think allowing unlimited corporate spending on political speech amplifies t…

>>The issue at hand is whether or not you can spend unlimited amounts of money on that speech via a corporation. Individuals cannot spend unlimited money donating to political campaigns, for instance. Corporations cannot donate to (federal) political campaigns, period. See https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate... Now, both individuals and corporations can donate to Super PACs an unlimited amoun…

I didn’t say that a group of people should have different rights than individuals. I think we should view elections as a central component of our democracy. Allowing entities, either corporations or individuals, to spend exorbitant amounts of money undermines the very principle of democracy by making the votes of a wealthy few worth more than everyone else. “Vote” here being a figurative reference to electoral influence.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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More official link: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/... > 3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur [for many students] So I guess technically you can say the word, as long as you don’t explain what it means?

Why are you omitting the entire sentence? "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in."

That sounds perfectly reasonable as long as the bill goes on to explicitly define in law exactly what is and is not age/developmentally appropriate. I'm going to guess that it does not and that the true point of the law is to criminalize something poorly defined so that it can be used to selectively attack anyone who covers those subjects no matter how they do it.

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At this point we need to recognize that these "private companies" are now de facto state actors. They take censorship advice from government agencies (like the CDC), ban certain people in response to political pressures, and hand over user's private data without a warrant. That doesn't mean regulating them like common carries is good or workable, but we need to start by recognizing that there are first amendment clai…

The problem is finding the right balance between free speech and censorship. I look forward to see how cases that go to the Supreme Court are going to be handled. I personally believe that a private business like Facebook has the right to control content on their app/website.

My personal opinion is once they start censoring, then they are responsible for everything on their site. I think it is ok to let people moderate. But once the company starts to censor then it implies they are ok with what they didn't censor. This is not what Facebook wants. They want to censor and not be responsible. They can't have it both ways

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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And here I am wondering what the fuck happened to freedom. Both the right and left have become supremely prescriptive in their own ways. I want stronger local government. I have no way of trusting any of these assholes at the federal and state level. Why do they get to set standards for schools, infrastructure funding, or social policy? We have grid lock in part because there are different opinions on what's best. So…

Reading NextDoor completely disabused me of any notion that smaller government is better. It seems like everyone involved in local politics is an absolute crank. You can see this clearly in New Hampshire were the goofy libertarians who moved from other states gang up to defund public schools. At least with the Feds they are under a constant microscope. The most heinous corrupt shit in America almost always happens at…

Not just defund public schools, but legalize things like child porn and underage sex [1]. Purely local government is often shitty in the absence of any guardrail laws from a higher level. Small towns are filled with people who care for absolutely no one beyond their tiny group and can often have way more time on their hands than reasonable people who have work and family responsibilities and care about people around them.

[1] https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/30/libertarians-took-c...

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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This is not true. You need a Facebook account to interact with a lot of businesses. Many businesses don't have normal websites for better or worse. Many government agencies announce things through Twitter and Facebook for better or worse (worse in my opinion).

And yet, with no functioning Facebook or Twitter account, I seem to have no problem finding businesses that sell the things I'm interested in. Most local issues of actual importance are still mentioned in the newspaper. Facebook could get their databases and backups wiped tomorrow and I'm pretty sure nothing would substantively change in my life or my work (and I work in tech). Same goes for Twitter. I might be expos…

I don't have a facebook or twitter account either, but it's not totally frictionless. My wife still has one to join some neighborhood groups and follow some local businesses.

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There are books public schools or public libraries may not carry, not bans.. Germany making pro Nazi rhetoric illegal no matter where is a ban (one I can agree with) Florida making sure their Public money is not spent on this is not a ban. You can still own and publish these books in Florida. Or have them in a privately owned library or at a private university or school. Let's stop hyperbolizing. It is actually total…

If I donate a book that is banned, the school library will not accept it. That is a ban.

It costs money to keep a book.

And lending a book is a positive action. If you gave the library your playboy collection should they keep it? Why or why not? Clearly, it is important to have standards for school libraries. There are other books that elementary school libraries should not contain. For example, mein kampf should be maybe available to higher-grade high-schoolers. Certainly not children. My school library growing up would not lend books marked for older grades to younger ones without permission. This is the same thing.

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I've been logged out of Facebook for like 10 years, and in that time, I've not once needed my FB account to interact with a business. > Many government agencies announce things through Twitter and Facebook for better or worse Twitter seems to be the more common of the two there. They should not do that.

You don’t need a Twitter account to read Twitter post anyway. You can open the page incognito mode and sterilise it when done.

On mobile, it keeps making me log in.
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