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Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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This is not true. You need a Facebook account to interact with a lot of businesses. Many businesses don't have normal websites for better or worse. Many government agencies announce things through Twitter and Facebook for better or worse (worse in my opinion).

I've been logged out of Facebook for like 10 years, and in that time, I've not once needed my FB account to interact with a business. > Many government agencies announce things through Twitter and Facebook for better or worse Twitter seems to be the more common of the two there. They should not do that.

You don’t need a Twitter account to read Twitter post anyway. You can open the page incognito mode and sterilise it when done.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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The same Florida that passed a law specifically to punish Disney because they spoke out against the “Don’t Say Gay” law and passed the “Stop Woke” act?

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> The media-dubbed “don’t say gay” bill forbids kindergarten to second grade teachers from discussing sexual orientation or sexual identity. Oh, the humanity.

And if that's _all_ it said you'd be exactly right. What's the rest of the text?

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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There is a "satire[1]" meme floating with some disinformation about book bans in Florida. However, the state is second, only behind Texas, in actual book bans[2]. Relatedly, the vague "don't say gay" law has a significant impact on LGBTQ teachers right to free expression -- straight teachers are totally free to talk about their spouses, for example, but gay teachers are not. Quite reminiscent of the "don't ask don't…

Does the bill in fact restrict anyone from saying the word "gay"? If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation.

Agreed. And if you actually want to read the bill, called "Parental Rights in Education": https://flgov.com/2022/03/28/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his...

There was so much misframing and misinformation about the bill, continuing to use the Democrat and media made up name and language for the bill shows your slant. Just because many media organizations kept calling it, that doesn't mean anybody here should.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Also services like Cloudflare, and email providers like GMail.

How is an email server a common carrier? People have been setting up email servers for decades and there are plenty of alternatives.

It is a common carrier by virtue of hosting many of the recipients you want to send email to.

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Meanwhile, Florida is purging libraries of unpopular political opinions. This is not about a principled approach to free speech. It's about protecting the right to enforce religious-inspired bigotry, tearing down the separation of church and state even as that bigotry becomes "unpopular."

> Florida is purging libraries of unpopular political opinions. For example?

"Palm Beach County school district tells teachers to review classroom library books for references to racism, sexism and oppression"

https://www.wlrn.org/education/2022-06-09/palm-beach-county-...

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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The same Florida that passed a law specifically to punish Disney because they spoke out against the “Don’t Say Gay” law and passed the “Stop Woke” act?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Parental_Rights_in_E...

You’ve noted one thing the bill does. It also does several other things that aren’t limited to kindergarten through 2nd grade.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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When a state is against net neutrality, pro super PACs, pro hobby lobby/religious tests in employment, pro book banning in libraries, but wants to regulate social networks because "political freedom", their motivations are a bit suspect.

Net neutrality was about bandwith, not content. PACs lobbies and religion are 1A protected and not specific to Florida or Republicans, they can't and don't ban book that's fake news unless you consider all books acceptable in schools such as Mein Kampf and Play Boy magazines.

Also none of what you said addresses the the proposed legislation.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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When a state is against net neutrality, pro super PACs, pro hobby lobby/religious tests in employment, pro book banning in libraries, but wants to regulate social networks because "political freedom", their motivations are a bit suspect.

> pro book banning in libraries I've seen tons of recent support for censorship from ideas and speech the (left? I wouldn't consider it actually left) doesn't like. Then you have conservatives moving against these books that promote woke religion and suddenly these same people are very pro free speech.

>I've seen tons of recent support for censorship from ideas and speech the (left? I wouldn't consider it actually left) doesn't like.

The left has always been pro-censorship: Stalin and Mao, for instance, set up societies with lots of censorship.

The right is also pro-censorship: think Hitler, or any religious conservatives for that matter.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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The first amendment case law recognizes that protection for political speech is the very core of the First Amendment. It’s the whole point. Indeed, prior to the mid-20th century, it was understood that other kinds of expressive speech (pornography, etc.) did not receive as much, if any, protection.

First Amendment case law involves the government. If the government of Florida wants a free for all social media platform, it can create one. If they don’t have the technical aptitude, I’ll gladly accept a multi million dollar contract to lead the creation of one. Leading the development of large scale infrastructure and back end development is kind of mg thing.

That’s an orthogonal point. The “speech” that the first amendment is primarily concerned about is political speech. That’s the code of the first amendment protection.

The first amendment by its terms applies to the government. But that doesn’t mean that states can’t provide similar protections from the conduct of private parties.

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First Amendment case law involves the government. If the government of Florida wants a free for all social media platform, it can create one. If they don’t have the technical aptitude, I’ll gladly accept a multi million dollar contract to lead the creation of one. Leading the development of large scale infrastructure and back end development is kind of mg thing.

100% this. The 1st amendment protects free speech from the government. If you're in a bar, and they don't like what you're saying, they can ask you to leave. Then it all boils down to whether things like Twitter and Facebook are akin to the public square, a public street. That is hard to fathom given you are using their servers, their software, which they pay for and provide as a service (in something of a quid-pro-q…

But is Facebook like a bar? Or is it a pipe for user generated content?
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