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Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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When a state is against net neutrality, pro super PACs, pro hobby lobby/religious tests in employment, pro book banning in libraries, but wants to regulate social networks because "political freedom", their motivations are a bit suspect.

> pro book banning in libraries

I've seen tons of recent support for censorship from ideas and speech the (left? I wouldn't consider it actually left) doesn't like. Then you have conservatives moving against these books that promote woke religion and suddenly these same people are very pro free speech.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Meanwhile, Florida is purging libraries of unpopular political opinions. This is not about a principled approach to free speech. It's about protecting the right to enforce religious-inspired bigotry, tearing down the separation of church and state even as that bigotry becomes "unpopular."

I agree with you about that, but I also (might) agree with them about this. Not that you said otherwise, but... I think we should go back to a transactional mix-and-match style of politics, with different coalitions per issue, instead of the "agree with your friend tribe and disagree with your enemy tribe about everything" style that we seem to be locked into these days. There shouldn't be any shame in being part of…

Unfortunately political power is not generally distributed on a per-issue basis. In most cases it simply is not an option for an individual citizen to support increasing personA's political power to regulate social networks without increasing personA's overall political power.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Why would this be huge for you?

it aligns with my values on free speech and I think social media platforms should be common carriers and be forced to allow all free speech (aside from fire in a crowded theater)

Hard to believe people who have actually thought about the consequences of demoderation could possibly support it. It would instantly be the end of all forums. Moderation isn't always perfect, but it is infinitely better than a free for all.

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There is a "satire[1]" meme floating with some disinformation about book bans in Florida. However, the state is second, only behind Texas, in actual book bans[2]. Relatedly, the vague "don't say gay" law has a significant impact on LGBTQ teachers right to free expression -- straight teachers are totally free to talk about their spouses, for example, but gay teachers are not. Quite reminiscent of the "don't ask don't…

What's struck me as weird about this is that I don't recall a single teacher ever mentioning their spouse, or their personal weekend plans. The idea that a teacher wants to talk to their students about their personal lives is utterly foreign to me. Maybe it's just a sign of times changing? Edit: this thought came to me in the context of a quote I saw from a teacher upset he couldn't talk about going surfing with his…

> What's struck me as weird about this is that I don't recall a single teacher ever mentioning their spouse, or their personal weekend plans.

That strikes me as odd. I recall this happening many times. Heck, there were even several pairs of teachers who met at school and got married. One teacher proposed to another teacher during a town parade where many students and teachers were present. It's not like teachers dwelled on personal details in class. It's just that it would be impossible to miss.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Meanwhile, Florida is purging libraries of unpopular political opinions. This is not about a principled approach to free speech. It's about protecting the right to enforce religious-inspired bigotry, tearing down the separation of church and state even as that bigotry becomes "unpopular."

> Florida is purging libraries of unpopular political opinions.

For example?

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I agree with you about that, but I also (might) agree with them about this. Not that you said otherwise, but... I think we should go back to a transactional mix-and-match style of politics, with different coalitions per issue, instead of the "agree with your friend tribe and disagree with your enemy tribe about everything" style that we seem to be locked into these days. There shouldn't be any shame in being part of…

I am a one-issue voter (whenever it's on the ballot) and my issue is voting reform because, in my view, the two party system America (and almost Canada!) is stuck with is just making inter-party discussions on policies impossible. Once the political class has stratified like it has in America and can box out anyone who doesn't pass a litmus test of dozens of issues (Oh, you're pro-gun rights but also pro-abortion acc…

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Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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When a state is against net neutrality, pro super PACs, pro hobby lobby/religious tests in employment, pro book banning in libraries, but wants to regulate social networks because "political freedom", their motivations are a bit suspect.

No, but seriously, they're doing this stuff in such a sloppy way that I'd definitely be looking for opportunity, e.g. the wording of one of their anti-CRT things essentially said "no one can make someone else uncomfortable about race" and I'm like "word? I can work with that."

You are assuming any such laws will be enforced fairly, which is very far from the case.

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You mean like Parler? Oh wait, some of the biggest tech companies, for all intents and purposes, killed it. You can have a free market with monopolies/duopolies.

There is a monopoly/duopoly on collocation centers? According to the former CEO of AWS, only 5% of all IT spend is on any cloud provider. The other 95% self host. It amazes me that people on HN of all places is saying that they can’t create anything without a dependency on cloud providers.

>There is a monopoly/duopoly on collocation centers?

I was talking about Apple and Google removing the app from their app stores.

I think they are back now, but it looks like it killed much of its steam.

>According to the former CEO of AWS, only 5% of all IT spend is on any cloud provider. The other 95% self host

This number sounds a bit weird. I assume you are saying cloud costs are only 5% of IT spending which means it includes salaries. If that is the case you can't assume any level of self hosting. Can you provide the source on this or clarify what you are saying?

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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Meanwhile, Florida is purging libraries of unpopular political opinions. This is not about a principled approach to free speech. It's about protecting the right to enforce religious-inspired bigotry, tearing down the separation of church and state even as that bigotry becomes "unpopular."

I agree with you about that, but I also (might) agree with them about this. Not that you said otherwise, but... I think we should go back to a transactional mix-and-match style of politics, with different coalitions per issue, instead of the "agree with your friend tribe and disagree with your enemy tribe about everything" style that we seem to be locked into these days. There shouldn't be any shame in being part of…

In an ideal world that's true, but in reality it's probably not a good approach to treat political alliances on issues as independent transactions to be taken at purely face value. If you're an advocate for free speech, it's probably worth being extremely dubious of Republican efforts aimed at "big tech" even if they claim to care about the same issue you do. For one thing, those efforts are clearly motivated by very specific speech and even if you hope that translates into better protection for speech in general, it's worth considering if that's actually what your new allies are actually aiming for. There's a long history of policies claiming to be for the general good ending up exclusively benefiting a select few in practice. That's not always the case of course, but especially worth keeping an eye out for when the folks advocating for the policy are making it fairly clear up front that's their agenda.

The other issue is a bit more strategic. Policy victory brings electoral victory, and you don't get to pick and choose which other policies come along for the ride when someone wins. Nobody agrees with a politician or political party on every issues of course, but it's probably not a good idea to ignore the rest of their views entirely just because they happen to back at least one policy you agree with. At the risk of invoking Goodwin, if you weren't a fan of that Hitler fellow but supported him anyways because you liked road construction, you might have regretted your choice.

Re: Florida to Supreme Court: Let us regulate social networks as common carriers

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There is a monopoly/duopoly on collocation centers? According to the former CEO of AWS, only 5% of all IT spend is on any cloud provider. The other 95% self host. It amazes me that people on HN of all places is saying that they can’t create anything without a dependency on cloud providers.

>There is a monopoly/duopoly on collocation centers? I was talking about Apple and Google removing the app from their app stores. I think they are back now, but it looks like it killed much of its steam. >According to the former CEO of AWS, only 5% of all IT spend is on any cloud provider. The other 95% self host This number sounds a bit weird. I assume you are saying cloud costs are only 5% of IT spending which mean…

Andy Jassy is my skip*10 manager the last time I checked. But there are always re-orgs.

https://accelerationeconomy.com/cloud/amazon-shocker-ceo-jas...

> With a $51B revenue run rate that’s growing 28% YoY (these were the Q4 2020 numbers we last publicly shared), it’s easy to forget that AWS is still in the very early stages of what’s possible. Less than 5% of the global IT spend is in the cloud at this point

Why does Parlor need to be an app at all? They can just be a website.

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