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'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by nibbleshifter »

gitpusher wrote: post #15

> "Hamilton’s research suggests the soleus pushup [...] is more effective than any popular methods currently touted as a solution [to a sedentary lifestyle] including exercise, weight loss and intermittent fasting." Better than exercise? LOL.

Better than exercise in that most people living a sedentary lifestyle basically get none, and are shit at sticking with exercise regimens.

Better than IF in that IF is a crock of wank.

Better than weight loss in that most people who lose weight gain it back rather quick.

Basically they are saying this is low effort and efficient enough to be better than those options in the realistic scenario of many people being bad at the alternatives

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by mmastrac »

I'm curious if this is the same muscle that causes Charlie Horses. I can activate it on its own without moving my leg and can hold it in tension for a long time but if you flex it too hard it knots and is quite painful.

The way that I can flex it:

Lie on your back on the floor with your heels on a couch, knees approx 90 degrees

Tip/rotate your foot forward and you'll feel a large muscle engage

Try and flex that muscle like you would your bicep or pectorals. You'll find that you can hold it for quite some time.

Edit: I managed to hold it for a few minutes and it's a very odd feeling afterwards. Almost like I had done a bunch of stairs with no cardio.

Edit 2: Standing afterwards wasn't fun - I had to stretch my calves out to walk normally.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by lock-the-spock »

digdugdirk wrote: post #71

There are a lot of callouts of "This is BS" in regards to this article. Look at it from a different perspective. I would HIGHLY prefer this to a short press release blurb that allows pop-science clickbait aggregators (or even worse, the "science" sections of CBS/CNN and the like) to have first crack at it. This was produced by the university themselves, and provides a concise yet accurate and detailed overview of the…

Exactly. Essentially the trick is not "use this muscle". It rather is "do this specific movement with this muscle. I can describe it quite simply, but to truly learn it you'll need a biofeedback device and you need to know what you're working towards."

There are a lot of surprising skills that we could learn if we just knew how and put in the effort. See e.g. the blind mountainbikers using echolocation to 'see' the path, or method of loci/other memory techniques.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by canucker2016 »

earleybird wrote: post #30

"It's not as simple as simply doing a heel lift or raising your legs when you're sitting or shaking your leg or fidgeting. It's a very specific movement that's designed where we use some technologies that aren't necessarily available to the public unless you're a scientist and you know how to use it." This has a bit of a 'smell' that I can't quite put my finger on.

from the YouTube video, you can see the movement (positioned at 6 secs into the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaK6TThRMdE&t=6s

Of course, my friend's Chinese grandmother would admonish my friend for doing this movement at the table - evidently she considered the movement to be an indicator for something that shouldn't be mentioned at the dining table.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by Someone »

dqpb wrote: post #36
earleybird wrote: post #30

"It's not as simple as simply doing a heel lift or raising your legs when you're sitting or shaking your leg or fidgeting. It's a very specific movement that's designed where we use some technologies that aren't necessarily available to the public unless you're a scientist and you know how to use it." This has a bit of a 'smell' that I can't quite put my finger on.

They're saying it's difficult to explain how to isolate the muscle. For example, two simple ways to lift only your heel from a sitting position are: 1. Push down with the ball if you foot 2. Lift up with your hip/quad They look the same, but are completely different. Do either of them activate the Soleus? Do neither of them?

#2 I would call a pull up or lift up, not a push up, so I assume it’s more like #1.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by lock-the-spock »

gitpusher wrote: post #15

> "Hamilton’s research suggests the soleus pushup [...] is more effective than any popular methods currently touted as a solution [to a sedentary lifestyle] including exercise, weight loss and intermittent fasting." Better than exercise? LOL.

The example patient in the video is rather senior and he seems to aim at diabetics/age-related issues.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by lock-the-spock »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #47

I agree with all the other comments about this - the whole thing stinks of a BS infomercial, for very specific reasons: 1. Are people supposed to do this contraction indefinitely while sitting? Good luck with that. 2. Is this only supposed to be done with an e-stim machine to generate the contraction? Again, if so, it may be an interesting curiosity, but it's not practical. FWIW I wouldn't have such a negative reacti…

It doesn't seem like a stim, rather it's a biofeedback device. The YouTube video shows quite clearly how they are working toward the right 'curve' of muscle tension.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by Tenoke »

lock-the-spock wrote: post #103
digdugdirk wrote: post #71

There are a lot of callouts of "This is BS" in regards to this article. Look at it from a different perspective. I would HIGHLY prefer this to a short press release blurb that allows pop-science clickbait aggregators (or even worse, the "science" sections of CBS/CNN and the like) to have first crack at it. This was produced by the university themselves, and provides a concise yet accurate and detailed overview of the…

Exactly. Essentially the trick is not "use this muscle". It rather is "do this specific movement with this muscle. I can describe it quite simply, but to truly learn it you'll need a biofeedback device and you need to know what you're working towards." There are a lot of surprising skills that we could learn if we just knew how and put in the effort. See e.g. the blind mountainbikers using echolocation to 'see' the p…

>I can describe it quite simply, but to truly learn it you'll need a biofeedback device and you need to know what you're working towards.

I don't know, some gifs from different angles would sure have helped more given our lack of devices (though yes, the video does show one important angle).

At any rate the complaints aren't so much in the description but in it being yet another simple trick, of which we see thousands and few if any pan out especially to the level claimed here.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by pessimizer »

Jweb_Guru wrote: post #68

These claims sound pretty suspect and much more selective journals than iScience have published completely bogus research before. Would like to see this replicated many, many times before anyone starts selling a product whose purported benefits are demonstrated solely from a single research study from a highly conflicted author.

> much more selective journals than iScience have published completely bogus research before.

Do you post this under every journal article? Reminding everyone that things have been false before in places?

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Post by lock-the-spock »

porpoisemonkey wrote: post #55
debacle wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a biologist, but I would wonder why only this muscle would be capable of this. Metabolizing fats is a complex process.

Also not a biologist - just an enthusiastic layman. The Soleus muscle (Soleal pump) is partially responsible for helping to return blood from your legs back up to your heart while upright. [1] This is a fairly critical process so it would make sense that it would be able to metabolize multiple energy sources. [1] https://www.physio-pedia.com/Soleus

Interesting. And the logical second conclusion is that this is an evolutionarily costly process, otherwise it would be common across our muscles. Maybe the muscle has a higher risk of injury, degeneration, cancer than othe muscles...?
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