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Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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Google has more than 100k employee, at any given week I bet there are more than 100 people leaving. Letting go 50 people is barely layoff. Misleading title

174k according to the article. Title should have been: "Meta is cutting staff", but I guess that doesn't get as many clicks.

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Not really newspeak. The difference is that you're still getting paid in between and still have a job, pretty different from getting laid off where you often don't get paid and don't have a job.

You get garden leave while you apply for jobs internally. After 30 days (assuming you can't find a new position internally), it seems identical to having been laid off

The Area120 folks were given 4.5 months to find a new team. Even if you decide there is a 0% chance of success and start looking externally, that's a great deal.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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I find your statements hard to accept at face value. Does a "polymath" have infinite time to develop excellence in every conceivable discipline? How good was Benjamin Franklin at, say, composing sonatas?

I’m not sure if you are being ironic, but Benjamin Franklin was a pretty good composer: https://iml.esm.rochester.edu/polyphonic-archive/article/ben...

I'm not being ironic. Your article says he composed two pieces and his instrument skills were "modest". I suspect most people are modest at the hobbies they dabble in. That doesn't make a "universal genius".

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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You get garden leave while you apply for jobs internally. After 30 days (assuming you can't find a new position internally), it seems identical to having been laid off

The Area120 folks were given 4.5 months to find a new team. Even if you decide there is a 0% chance of success and start looking externally, that's a great deal.

Didn't know it was that long! That's fantastic.

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This is still lapping up the bullshit of what it actually is. It's a redundancy plain and simple, your job is being terminated, it should be reported as such.

You literally still have a job. Being reported as a layoff would be lying. If you don’t have a job and have to find work elsewhere then that would be the layoff. As long as the company is still paying you the at worst you’re on the bench.

Rest and vest.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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>Everyone stopped using facebook because they are uncomfortable using a giant, ad serving, spy machine. Do you really believe this? How does TikTok fit into this vision of the world that you have constructed? I agree with your premise but it seems like you have made a connection between two unrelated things: 1. People are less interested in Facebook 2. Facebook is a giant, ad serving, spy machine These two can co-exi…

TikTok is happy, Facebook optimized for outrage and conflict. When you only get shown stuff that pisses you off, you’ll get some short-term high engagement at the cost of enjoyment. Ultimately, that gave the strong impression that Facebook is Thanksgiving with your racist uncle, so young people dropped out.

I can't imagine how you could possibly think Facebook is the only platform that optimizes for outrage and conflict. That's the entire social media MO. People certainly do not leave platforms that make them angry. Making people angry generates the most engagement out of anything. Twitter makes people miserable and it seems to be doing just fine.

Young people were already leaving Facebook since the early 2010s because their parents were all making accounts, making it less of a "safe" place to express themselves, and all the moms and grandmas just got left there. So Facebook's core, active user demographic became an older generation that skews more conservative, so the outrage porn that circulates there leans in that direction.

Whereas every other mainstream platform on the internet has the young people who are more liberal and hate the older generation, so the outrage porn shared around there is about how everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi and how a straight white guy said something fatphobic. And if you're a person into that kind of stuff, that's what your Tiktok feed will be. It's certainly not "happy" unless you train the algorithm to only show you that.

It's 2 flavors of equally stupid anger bait to get people refreshing their feed all day. But it's certainly not that people have collectively decided they want happier news feeds. Quite the opposite.

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Here’s what I’ve observed as a senior manager: First, it’s important to understand that managers are held to outcomes. If a manager retains low performers because “they’re friends”, over time they’ll find themselves with a low performing team and it will be visible in their results. At that stage they are now at the bottom of their manager’s stack-ranking process. Retain and promote your low-performing friends at you…

Have never seen a low manager get fired for having low performers inside of 2 years. I’ve seen stack ranking invented to push out non-senior managers, but never the feedback cycle you claim exists. “there’s no reason to believe anything is functional” should be “you don’t believe in your manager.” Good managers divorce moral edict from feelings. Good managers know they don’t get to define what functional means.

They may not get fired, but they’ll certainly struggle to get promoted or get assigned the best projects. Avoid these managers.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

#398

> Google has required some employees to apply for new jobs is this the new way to say "fired"?

This is the norm in Australia. You cannot fire people except for misconduct. Here they abolish your role or department due to business restructuring which is legal. Since your role is gone the company has to provide a redeployment opportunity to the impacted employees to other possible roles in the company. In a honest restructuring this works and some people do get other roles, some managers like to retain staff they like or are buddy with and are "appointed" to other role. After a specified period like 30 days if there is no suitable role for you the company will make you redundant and your will leave the company.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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I can't read WSJ while at work, but after checking on the financials for both Meta and Alphabet, I do not understand why either would be cutting staff. Both look pretty strong, so I am not sure how cuts are justified or why Zuckerberg has a negative outlook, especially since 2021 was such a great year for both. Do American executives, investors, and start up owners not have the guts for even a moderate stock price dr…

Moderate stock price drop? Facebook is down 63%.

Yes, stock is down, but financials and income are strong.

The market is more volatile and less rational.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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Can you give an example of a system that’s in place to ensure workers are near max capacity most of the time?

Diff count/LoC count is recorded and made publicly available for all engineers in a graph that lets you easily compare metrics between developers and teams. This means if you are constantly comparing your output to the rest of the team. The multi-axis performance review criteria that requires you to show deliverables on things like your impact on team-building or culture. This means that when you might normally get a…

Jesus Christ, I definitely dodged a bullet.

That definitely sounds like pushing you to be “productive” as much as your body allows without burning out.

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