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Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

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Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

#31

Their website is awful and I’m afraid my money will be locked away with no recourse due to a technical error.

Same. For the potential upsides ($10,000 x 9% is $900, and that assumes I will keep it in cash otherwise), the downside risk is too great. If I could just click a button in my brokerage account and buy them, I would.

I smell a business opportunity

Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

#32

Things I wish I knew earlier. When you buy them, you lock in the current rate for 6 months from the date you purchase & then you get the next rate for 6 months after that. So today you get 9.62% for 6 months, so you'll technically earn 4.81% interest on your money after 6 months from the date of purchase. You'll then get the next rate which is most likely 3% for 6 months (often quoted as 6% annually). This site does…

> So today you get 9.62% for 6 months, so you'll technically earn 4.81% interest on your money after 6 months from the date of purchase.

That doesn't seem correct.

If I have $10k, and it earns an annual rate of 5%, for 6 months, I would get $250. That's not the same as saying I'm earning a 2.5% rate.

You're earning 5%, but only for 6 months.

If you were earning 2.5%, for 6 months, you'd only get $125.

Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

#33

Things I wish I knew earlier. When you buy them, you lock in the current rate for 6 months from the date you purchase & then you get the next rate for 6 months after that. So today you get 9.62% for 6 months, so you'll technically earn 4.81% interest on your money after 6 months from the date of purchase. You'll then get the next rate which is most likely 3% for 6 months (often quoted as 6% annually). This site does…

> You'll then get the next rate which is most likely 3% for 6 months Which is less than the 3.9% you get from a 6M treasury right now. If i-bonds really only get 6% in the next rate, you've lost money compared to 6M or 1Y treasury bonds.

Good point. Though right now you also get the current 9.62% for 6 months so you come out ahead still with most likely an 8% return over 1 year. After November, it'll be interesting to see if I Bonds are worth buying anymore or if treasury bonds go down.

It's also possible that in November they add something more than 0 to the fixed rate of the I Bond. Buying now though you unfortunately would not get that.

Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

#34

Things I wish I knew earlier. When you buy them, you lock in the current rate for 6 months from the date you purchase & then you get the next rate for 6 months after that. So today you get 9.62% for 6 months, so you'll technically earn 4.81% interest on your money after 6 months from the date of purchase. You'll then get the next rate which is most likely 3% for 6 months (often quoted as 6% annually). This site does…

Yes, I-bonds are a bit of a meme right now, and IMO, overhyped. The other important things to note are that your money is locked for a year from purchase, you incur a penalty (3 months of interest) if you sell before 5 years, and the APY values being quoted are not indexed to inflation. I-bonds issued today yield essentially zero percent after inflation, and this will be true for as long as you hold them.

Do not buy an I-bond if you need the cash or anticipate needing the cash in the near future. Also, do not treat I-bonds like investments. If you have a long time horizon and you want an investment return, you should just invest the money.

If your goal is to time the market and wait for a buying opportunity (why?) then you'd be better off just keeping your cash in a regular treasury. Even parking your money in a 1 year treasury will yield you close to 5% right now (again, not inflation-indexed), but you'll still be liquid:

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US1Y

If that is still too high a market risk for you, even a 3-month bill is yielding over 3%:

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US3M

I-bonds are a great place to put cash for things like emergency funds, assuming you keep the 1-year lockup in mind. Beyond that, they have fairly limited utility.

Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can double that and more if you're married, and use the tax refund trick. But the reality is that 10% on 10k isn't a terribly large amount of money at the end of the day.

You're gonna invest that 10k somewhere in all likelihood, a risk free 10% is pretty much unbeatable, it's higher than most high-yielding (and vice) stocks, but without bearing the risk of capital loss. Seems silly to me not to use I-bonds even if the cap is relatively low, sure wish I could (not American).

I don't love opening a new account to get some incremental returns on a relatively modest allowed investment. But, while I don't go to a lot of trouble to optimize everything, for me this crfossed the line into "why not" (but then, I didn't have to jump through any hoops.)

Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

#38
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I tried but my account got flagged for extra validation. This requires me to take a form to a bank or brokerage so that someone there can verify my identity and then stamp the form with some special stamp. Well I do my banking with online banks so I have no access to a brick and mortar branch nor do I really have the time or inclination to try to talk to somewhere there and get what they're asking for.

I'm going to post this here for those that couldn't get a seal.

> The Account Authorization (FS Form 5444) submitted is unacceptable as the form was not properly certified. Therefore, we must ask that you submit a new form with your signature properly certified.

> Please note that the form's instructions to the certifying officer state, "Acceptable certifications include the financial institution's official seal or stamp (such as corporate seal, signature guarantee stamp, or medallion stamp)." Notary public stamps are acceptable. Please have the bank place their official seal on the form to certify your signature. If the financial institution does not have an official seal or stamp to use when they certify a signature, they may use the savings bond paid stamp that they normally use when cashing savings bonds for a bond owner. We may accept:

> Signature/Endorsement Guarantee Stamp

> Medallion Stamp

> Official Bank Seal/Stamp

> Corporate Seal

> Consular Seal

> A commissioned or warrant officer of the United States Armed Forces may certify the signature.

> Any stamp or seal must be visible.

> The bank certifying officer should include his/her phone number by the certification.

> If none of the options listed above are available, we may give consideration when a bank officer uses notary certification when it is accompanied by the signature of the employee and the name/address of the bank is provided. The certification must clearly shows the certifying officer is a bank employee.

Re: Ask HN: Have you bought I bonds yet? Why not?

#40

Things I wish I knew earlier. When you buy them, you lock in the current rate for 6 months from the date you purchase & then you get the next rate for 6 months after that. So today you get 9.62% for 6 months, so you'll technically earn 4.81% interest on your money after 6 months from the date of purchase. You'll then get the next rate which is most likely 3% for 6 months (often quoted as 6% annually). This site does…

> Must be a US Citizen.

That is incorrect. As long as you are a US resident for tax purposes you can purchase them.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/research/indepth/ibonds...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/intr...

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