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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by entropyie »

rowanG077 wrote: post #572
rjsw wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to cleanup a Git tree right now where people haven't put JIRA tags in their commit comments, it is impossible to find out why a change was made, it isn't a totally stupid requirement.

Or you just write sensible commit messages. Commits together with the messages should require as little out of band information as possible.

Bullshit. "Fix performance issue in listing page for customer support".

Which customer? Is it the same issue as the one this other customer is reporting? How does the support person know the fix has been released?

Unless you are expecting devs to copy paste a tonne of info into commit messages, it's way easier to just put the god damn ticket number in the commit title.

If you really need to commit something with no ticket, just have a dummy ticket placeholder like DEV-0000.

99/100 it's just laziness on the devs part... It's way easier to add a ticket number than write super detailed commit messages, and every case of missing Jira numbers of seen, there has never been a detailed commit message in its place... /Rant over

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by JeremyNT »

weberer wrote: post #509
kristopolous wrote: post #401

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Install Microsoft Edge for Linux and use the web version through that. Really, it's a great solution. I've done it for a while. I don't use edge for anything else but it runs teams.microsoft.com great

Why Edge? It works fine in Chrome and Chromium.

I don't know if this is still the case, but Teams has a history of behaving differently based on the user agent presented. I assume they will always want to make it work "better" in Edge.

Having all of the MS junk walled off into its own browser that you use for nothing else isn't a terrible idea either, regardless.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by vel0city »

matwood wrote: post #596
dagaci wrote: post #483

This thread is incredibly negative, this is a suprise because our entire company relies on teams for remote working and it works pretty damned well. Interestingly teams usage seems to be still rising post-pandemic, something competitors are not seeing (and competitors include its own Skype product), teams even managed to surpass Slack in third part plugin support. So i'm not really buying this thread as repsentative,…

> Interestingly teams usage seems to be still rising post-pandemic We don't use Teams, but IME, every meeting I setup in Outlook defaults to including a Teams link. I have to actively turn it off. This type of thing will eventually get people stumbling into using Teams.

Outlook Options > Calendar > Add online meeting to all meetings

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by taylodl »

Interesting. I'm not experiencing any of these problems running Teams on a Mac. What I have noticed is Teams doesn't seem to manage it's memory very well and after a few days of use it'll really bog your system down. Simply restarting Teams solves the problem for me. I find I need to restart Teams every week or two.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by vel0city »

LinAGKar wrote: post #360
vinhant wrote: post #134

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Regarding code block, try ``` (backtick 3 times then space)

If Teams could just get real markdown support, instead of shoddily replacing it with WYSIWYG

I imagine the majority of their user base prefers WYSIWYG over Markdown. They're not trying to target mostly developers.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by vel0city »

yrro wrote: post #415

2022 and Microsoft still can't write a program that correctly uses the clipboard. When I select "some text" and press Ctrl-C I want "some text" in the clipboard. Not this monstrosity: [09:57] John Smith: some text I can't believe anyone inside MS uses Teams for serious communication. It must surely drive them mad!

I agree its dumb that its so difficult to just copy a single message without the header. But select more than just that one message and paste it, and it makes sense why its there.

It should be easier to just get the body of text from one message while still giving those timestamp headers for multi-message selection. No reason why they can't figure out a better way to have both.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by sumedh »

bko wrote: post #619
zmmmmm wrote: post #402

Teams doesn't have to be good to succeed. It just has to exist. It's not even very important how good it is. Given it exists, IT will make everyone use it on Microsoft's behalf regardless of how bad it is. Or another way to look at it is that the real customers for Teams are IT departments. It makes their lives easier because they don't have to do anything and it meets all the compliance requirements they are suppose…

This is a bad answer. It's actually a non-answer. You can apply this to a lot of questions. Why does X ... Y (because X can get away with it). There are real resources behind Microsoft Teams and a lot of people want it to be good. They may not get much of a signal about how well their product is doing compared to competitors because lock-in effects, but I can guarantee you the product managers and executives at Micro…

> but I can guarantee you the product managers and executives at Microsoft want the product to work well.

MS cannot even work out there messenger strategy properly. We have/had MSN messenger, Skype, Skype for business, Lync and now Teams.

What makes you think the execs in MS really care about messaging?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by sumedh »

i_am_jl wrote: post #522
k_sze wrote: post #449

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This. Can we use anti-trust laws to break it up?

It'd be hard to argue that MS has a monopoly on real time collaboration software when Slack exists. It'd be similarly difficult to argue they're acting anti-competitively when Slack is thriving.

> Slack is thriving.

Is Slack profitable?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

You missed the best ones:

- Your avatar not showing for you but showing for everyone else

- Messages randomly disappearing from DM history (they're supposed to be stored locally, so I don't even know how this happens)

- Entire contacts disappearing (if they're in a group chat, they'll show up as "Unknown User")!

- Editing a message where you've attached a picture and then it says "Uh oh, we lost your attachment. Please attach it again." (Not helped by the fact that Windows lacks a clipboard history, like KDE has.)

- Once, parts of the GUI just failed to load, so all buttons and many elements rendered as text labels reflecting variable names. Menus exploded to gigantic size since a small button was now "foo_bar_widget_doohickey" and it broke the layout badly. It was pretty funny.

(And this is all native! Native app on Windows. Not the web app.)

I've never seen any software this buggy. I've been using IMs for like 20 years now, and Teams sets a new, utterly unparalleled bar for dysfunctionality.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by Woeps »

bluGill wrote: post #622
Woeps wrote: post #393

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Wait wüt.... Regardless of software, I decide when I'm available to be contacted... not somebody else. I already mute all notifications/ringtones on the phone when I want to focus, why should we also start doing this on computers?

What makes you as a human more valuable than other animals is your ability to communicate. As if your have everything muted you are making yourself less valuable. The ability to focus without distraction for short periods is okay, but as a human you need to be available to communicate with others the vast majority of the time. You will get less done in total, but what you do get done is so much more valuable to human…

"What makes you as a human more valuable than other animals is your ability to communicate. As if your have everything muted you are making yourself less valuable."

That's a nice hypothesis. do you happen to have some research or such regarding this. that could be a nice read :)

And it seems you agree with the original intent of my message. There is a time a place for being focused/left alone. And it's not up to a piece of software (or other humans) to decide this on a permanent basis.

also regarding "You will get less done in total, but what you do get done is so much more valuable to humans as a whole that it is worth the loss of focus."

It's funny because I have the opposite experience. Guess everybody is different in this regard.

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