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Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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Re: Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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No topic has made me more disappointed in the Hacker News community than this one. It's frustrating to see my livelihood attacked by the very people I try to help every day. It's not the "big agencies" that spec work hurts. It's people like me. I've dedicated my life to design. I work with startups and small business to provide great design on small budgets. I don't want to go back to doing corporate work. I stopped when I realized the only people that cared less about the work than me were the clients themselves. So I decided to focus on small business. People that care about fresh ideas, innovation and quality products, like I do.

I'll spare you the book-length essay on why it's wrong to exploit the design industry like this. I'll just leave you with this: the only people that care about ethics in business are ethical businessmen. You are what you do. You can stab, claw and bite your way to the top or you can take a stand for something more important: integrity.

Next time, give yourself a couple of hours looking at local freelance designers. Call them. Ask them about rates, their design process, previously successful design campaigns and their approach to design. If you aren't satisfied after having at least tried, then go ahead and submit it to the design sweatshop in the cloud.

Re: Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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Ugh. Say "no" to spec work: http://www.no-spec.com/about/

I read the no-spec site and while I kinda see the POV when thinking about large design projects, I don't see what the problem is for small things like a banner ad as the Kickoff Labs post was discussing. There are creatives all over the world eager to get paid a few hundred bucks for a bunch of small jobs. Sites like 99designs/crowdSPRING provide an efficient market for them. I needed a logo for a super-lean startup…

The problem is that there were other almost-providers who worked for free, didn't get paid, and aren't happy.

Re: Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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post #11

No topic has made me more disappointed in the Hacker News community than this one. It's frustrating to see my livelihood attacked by the very people I try to help every day. It's not the "big agencies" that spec work hurts. It's people like me. I've dedicated my life to design. I work with startups and small business to provide great design on small budgets. I don't want to go back to doing corporate work. I stopped…

I do fully support the local design community. In fact our site and product design comes mainly from local resources. However... most of them simply don't like or want to take on small projects like this.

Sure, if I have to spend $500+ dollars they can tackle larger things that I would never farm out. But the GOOD local designers are generally too busy for the small stuff. And the ones that have time simply aren't as good.

Also - for smaller projects like this - the small entrepreneur (me) has a limited amount of time. Why should we spend it calling around to see if someone has a couple of hours to do this. I've tried. The people I trust are busy... so contest away.

Re: Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the no-spec site and while I kinda see the POV when thinking about large design projects, I don't see what the problem is for small things like a banner ad as the Kickoff Labs post was discussing. There are creatives all over the world eager to get paid a few hundred bucks for a bunch of small jobs. Sites like 99designs/crowdSPRING provide an efficient market for them. I needed a logo for a super-lean startup…

The problem is that there were other almost-providers who worked for free, didn't get paid, and aren't happy.

But those 'almost-providers' knew they might not get the deal. They choose to participate knowing there was a risk.

They didn't "work for free", they made a decision that the risk/reward was worth it.

Oh, and if you down-vote someone on HN for asking a question the least you can do is fess up and explain why.

Re: Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that there were other almost-providers who worked for free, didn't get paid, and aren't happy.

But those 'almost-providers' knew they might not get the deal. They choose to participate knowing there was a risk. They didn't "work for free", they made a decision that the risk/reward was worth it. Oh, and if you down-vote someone on HN for asking a question the least you can do is fess up and explain why.

OK, I "confess" that I downvoted your post because I considered the question disingenuous. The risk/reward may not always be clear to all participants, and in a fairer world such choices might not have existed in the first place.

My vote is really against encouraging people to view design contests as fair enough, not you personally.

Re: Tips For Running an Online Design Contest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But those 'almost-providers' knew they might not get the deal. They choose to participate knowing there was a risk. They didn't "work for free", they made a decision that the risk/reward was worth it. Oh, and if you down-vote someone on HN for asking a question the least you can do is fess up and explain why.

OK, I "confess" that I downvoted your post because I considered the question disingenuous. The risk/reward may not always be clear to all participants, and in a fairer world such choices might not have existed in the first place. My vote is really against encouraging people to view design contests as fair enough, not you personally.

Kudos for 'fessing up.
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