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As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

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Re: As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

#11
Google pulling out of China instead of catering to censorship was a principled move, but fairly obviously did not lead to more freedom of speech in China. It helped kickstart a domestic, government-obedient tech industry.

I don't know what the right move here is. Nobody who thinks there's an obvious right answer is worth listening to.

Re: As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

#12
This highlights the problem of communications metadata still being available to an outside observer or manipulator. A messaging network where source and destination identifiers can't be linked to real-world identifying information, such as phone numbers, would have been resistant to such censorship.

Re: As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

#13

well it's disgusting, but, why twitter did not become part of it this time? that's a little surprise to me. the social network's censorship is unbelievable.

They need all the human users they can get while the Musk ordeal is going on.

Re: As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

#14

Google pulling out of China instead of catering to censorship was a principled move, but fairly obviously did not lead to more freedom of speech in China. It helped kickstart a domestic, government-obedient tech industry. I don't know what the right move here is. Nobody who thinks there's an obvious right answer is worth listening to.

It's a bit of a pickle if someone really finds the right answer and you don't listen to it isn't it?

Re: As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

#15

Google pulling out of China instead of catering to censorship was a principled move, but fairly obviously did not lead to more freedom of speech in China. It helped kickstart a domestic, government-obedient tech industry. I don't know what the right move here is. Nobody who thinks there's an obvious right answer is worth listening to.

Culture moves both ways.

I would rather American companies not get so comfortable with blatant censorship. While we do still have some degree of censorship (and a whole lot pf privacy violation), it’s still generally seen as a taboo and not as a moral or necessary thing.

Once the social standards change however, the goalpost moves and it becomes harder to maintain the same freedoms we had before.

Re: As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp

#19

Google pulling out of China instead of catering to censorship was a principled move, but fairly obviously did not lead to more freedom of speech in China. It helped kickstart a domestic, government-obedient tech industry. I don't know what the right move here is. Nobody who thinks there's an obvious right answer is worth listening to.

It's a bit of a pickle if someone really finds the right answer and you don't listen to it isn't it?

I have no problem with people talking through the tradeoffs and listening. There's tautologically a least-worst option we should find.

But if the answer is trite snark that summarizes evil vs obvious good, they haven't done that work, and I won't listen, no.

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