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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by capableweb »

dustedcodes wrote: post #513
zmmmmm wrote: post #402

Teams doesn't have to be good to succeed. It just has to exist. It's not even very important how good it is. Given it exists, IT will make everyone use it on Microsoft's behalf regardless of how bad it is. Or another way to look at it is that the real customers for Teams are IT departments. It makes their lives easier because they don't have to do anything and it meets all the compliance requirements they are suppose…

Someone should make job board where people can filter out companies that use Teams instead of Slack or Discord.

It's not about the specific technologies a company uses, but rather how that choice gets made.

Teams is chosen in companies where the organization is so big that "unification" is seen as a big plus.

What you're out after, are smaller organizations where choices are made based on what people working with those things actually want to use.

So look for headcount rather than what chat program they use, because the headcount will affect more choices than just what chat program you'll end up having to use.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by LinAGKar »

tumetab1 wrote: post #485
LinAGKar wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- don’t support ``` for code blocks. Channel chats do. Why? I have no clue. In general, Teams doesn't have real markdown support. It can detect some markdown-ish syntax and replace it with its WYSIWYG stuff, but that's not the same thing (it doesn't always replace it, it doesn't handle messages sent with markdown syntax properly, it doesn't follow standard markdown syntax, and it doesn't let you edit the markdown ma…

> - Teams for desktop likes to randomly decide your microphone isn't working, and turn your audio off. The microphone works fine in literally any other program. If you're using a Mac this might be a MacOS feature/bug which you might already worked around it in another applications https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253371535

No, I'm on Linux

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by oneplane »

maxerickson wrote: post #196
oneplane wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And those are in the same boat as Teams: it came with the bundle. (well, one could argue that plenty of people enjoy Outlook, but OneDrive is nothing special and SharePoint is just a bad Wiki going the SAP integration hell route)

SharePoint gives you versioned file storage that searches inside of files. It's a big step up from a network drive or whatever. (and that's just the really basic out of the box usage)

So in essence, a bad wiki but with WebDAV ;-) But I was mostly talking about the "everything is different, from the rest of the MS ecosystem" and "everything you really want you have to bolt on".

When you use M365 you even get multiple sharepoint-esque instances where there is the subscription one that you get in your general web interface, there is "your own" instance which is the same but more primitive, and then there is a pseudo-instance which is used by all apps (even the web apps) to sort-of aggregate them with infinite loops as a result (some of the interfaces allow you to browse between the instances so you can to into a virtual directory, then go into the same directory but in the other instance, and from there to into yet the same directory again but in the other instance, and so forth).

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by bitexploder »

reuben364 wrote: post #500
roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

- Web interface is not supported on Firefox, last I tried. I try and avoid installing native clients for occasional uses.

I run Linux and just keep all these apps on my iPad. If I need to demo software, oh well. Zoom runs way better on Linux natively. Teams is a joke.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by bee_rider »

mildchalupa wrote: post #241
jerojero wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit. Although you post still stands, I think you're very wrong in thinking about the reasoning why people use one or another platform. Let's think about discord for a minute, why is everyone using it? And what are they using it for? I think the answers here are rather simple, people have a need for communication with peers; this communication usually take…

It's as though there is a life cycle of an applications development. Early the application is sleek, perhaps not feature rich however instead simple, concise. Either through scope creep, changed ownership or continuous addition of features the application becomes bloated. This could also be the stage of commercialization by way of adds. Finally the application dies as users move onward. This seems to be fairly common…

This is amplified for chat programs. They are not really all that technically interesting anymore. They are just "good" at first while they are trying to acquire new users, and providing services for free to so. Simple and light, because there's no need to add gimmicky features to attract new users -- Free is free, and anyway the competition has recently become awful and bloated in an attempt to figure out what the magic feature is that will justify their aggressive monetization scheme.

Eventually good chat program runs out of runway, gets acquired (wow look at that userbase!) or needs to monetize on their own, and becomes the bad chat program. And the cycle continues.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by what-the-grump »

dagaci wrote: post #483

This thread is incredibly negative, this is a suprise because our entire company relies on teams for remote working and it works pretty damned well. Interestingly teams usage seems to be still rising post-pandemic, something competitors are not seeing (and competitors include its own Skype product), teams even managed to surpass Slack in third part plugin support. So i'm not really buying this thread as repsentative,…

A lot of this thread are people with poor overall implementations complaining about Teams, I bet most of the issues are caused what’s deployed in front of teams, firewalls, etc. Windows not configured for enterprise. IT departments not keeping up.

I use all major chat applications. From Webex to Logmein, to various telephony bs like Jive, daily.

Is Teams perfect? No, but it’s nowhere near as bad as this thread paints it. Would I use anything else? Slack for chat & image heavy workloads, like dev team, or IT support queue.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by bsharitt »

dustedcodes wrote: post #513
zmmmmm wrote: post #402

Teams doesn't have to be good to succeed. It just has to exist. It's not even very important how good it is. Given it exists, IT will make everyone use it on Microsoft's behalf regardless of how bad it is. Or another way to look at it is that the real customers for Teams are IT departments. It makes their lives easier because they don't have to do anything and it meets all the compliance requirements they are suppose…

Someone should make job board where people can filter out companies that use Teams instead of Slack or Discord.

Use of Teams has a been a deciding factor about not taking a job before. It's got to be pretty bad when it makes me nostalgic for HipChat.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by hooby »

adwww wrote: post #470
hooby wrote: post #341

- MSN Messenger - Windows Live Messenger - Microsoft Office Communications - Microsoft V-Chat - Microsoft Lync - Skype - Skype for Business (completely different piece of software than skype) - Microsoft Classroom - Microsoft Teams (no guarantee of completeness) Some of these did better than others, but in the end they all went down the drain. That makes me suspect that it's not the software itself, but some corporat…

In fairness the Google list looks similar. - Hangouts - Wave - Plus - Duo - Meet - Chat

Maybe they had similar requirements. Like integration of and into other products of theirs, or idk.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by dqh »

dagaci wrote: post #483

This thread is incredibly negative, this is a suprise because our entire company relies on teams for remote working and it works pretty damned well. Interestingly teams usage seems to be still rising post-pandemic, something competitors are not seeing (and competitors include its own Skype product), teams even managed to surpass Slack in third part plugin support. So i'm not really buying this thread as repsentative,…

We use both Slack and Teams on Mac - and I find that Teams is more reliable lately.
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