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NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by petre »

david38 wrote: post #128
skapadia wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be okay with a drunk driver killing one of your family members? What if that could be prevented with tech like this? Does your personal liberty outweigh the need to keep people safe from tons of metal hurtling at them at insane speeds?

By your rationale why don’t you give up cars? If you care for your loved ones so much, Han them from using cars. Does your personal liberty outweigh the need to keep your family safe from tons of metal hurtling at them at insane speeds?

Come on, even the Amish drive cars.

Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by petre »

magicalist wrote: post #137
pcaharrier wrote: post #65

"43,000 people were killed last year, the greatest number in 16 years" True, but there were also 250 billion more miles traveled than 16 years ago and a population of roughly 40 million more people. So though the raw number is higher, the traffic fatalities per mile traveled and per capita is actually lower than it was back then.

> True, but there were also 250 billion more miles traveled than 16 years ago and a population of roughly 40 million more people. So though the raw number is higher, the traffic fatalities per mile traveled and per capita is actually lower than it was back then. OK, but it's the greatest number of fatalities per mile traveled in 14 years, and the highest number per capita in 13 years, though. The recent trend upwards…

It's also probably because of all the SUVs that everyone wants nowadays. The greatest pressure against mandates alcohol test devices on cars should come from the auto industry itself.

In my country, the most drivers caught under the influence this year were using drugs rather than booze. Alcohol testers do not detect drugs. Also good luck driving a car with such a device to flee a fire or having the kid eat oranges while you're driving.

Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by landemva »

magicalist wrote: post #137
pcaharrier wrote: post #65

"43,000 people were killed last year, the greatest number in 16 years" True, but there were also 250 billion more miles traveled than 16 years ago and a population of roughly 40 million more people. So though the raw number is higher, the traffic fatalities per mile traveled and per capita is actually lower than it was back then.

> True, but there were also 250 billion more miles traveled than 16 years ago and a population of roughly 40 million more people. So though the raw number is higher, the traffic fatalities per mile traveled and per capita is actually lower than it was back then. OK, but it's the greatest number of fatalities per mile traveled in 14 years, and the highest number per capita in 13 years, though. The recent trend upwards…

Assuming your numbers are correct, is alcohol or phone use a larger contributor?

Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by petre »

aboringusername wrote: post #92
madamelic wrote: post #70

The story buries the lede, the real win for them is driver-facing cameras. Can't wait until they install a printer so they can just print the tickets out right into my car.

Yes, absolutely. I often think about whether we should just go to the natural logical conclusion. Using GPS and speed data to automatically fine you if you speed and deduct from your linked bank account - you can contest this but you must pay first. I dislike cameras as it feels like you're constantly performing and if you slip up, you don't get to learn, instead your mistake is archived and put up for others to scru…

GPS has errors, outages. I actually have such a GPS device at work on my desk with a speeding alarm active and it does trigger occasionally, even with the indoor GPS repeater on.

Tough on speeding restrictions are also stupid. The Italians and Portugese found better ways to deter speeding: red lights with speed sensors at the entrance of low speed zones, localities and cameras with license plate readers that measure your average speed. You either get a red light or a fine for generally speeding as opposed to speeding for five seconds to overtake a slow car.

Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by mschuster91 »

whyenot wrote: post #123
mschuster91 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scooters and bicycles have absolutely zero crush zone and have way more potential for serious injuries.

isn't that also true for motorcycles, which aren't held to the same standard?

Motorcycles (usually) have regular tech checkups, proper lights and turn indicators, powerful brakes and other accident-avoidance technology.

Additionally, unlike e-scooters and e-bikes, you need a license to ride them, further reducing the likelihood of incidents, and at least here in Europe you have two different license categories - higher powered motorcycles are only available at the age of 20 or later.

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Post by yellowapple »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #158
Frost1x wrote: post #148

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I'm not aware of any technology reliable, trustworthy, affordable, and quick enough to accomplish said goal without regularly inconveniencing a significantly larger portion of drivers who may need their vehicles in other emergencies. If you could provide a mechanism that didn't infringe non-drunk drivers rights I'd be more apt to accept this idea. I'd also need to know an override mechanism exists because it seems li…

An override mechanism seems reasonable to me. How about: when you engage the override, a light on your car turns on, as a signal to everyone else on the road that you may be under the influence. Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.

So I'm expected to waive my Fourth Amendment rights because it's an emergency? Maybe you trust cops to not be power-tripping assholes, but I sure as hell don't.

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Post by nottorp »

Forge36 wrote: post #76
nottorp wrote: post #71

Hmm. How will they check for alcohol? Would you still be able to drive home a car full of drunks while sober? Only with all windows open?

It's a solved problem today. See Interlock Breathalyzer.

Solved as in it actually works? Or it works like the gas detector in my kitchen that alerts when we cook meat with a bit of wine in the oven? :)

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #199
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? This fixes the problem of "what do I do if I can't start my car in an emergency?"

...until you get pulled over > Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.

In what kind of emergency would this pose a problem?

If you're fleeing a natural disaster, the cops will be fleeing too, so they aren't going to pull you over.

If you're fleeing someone who wants to kill you, you want to be pulled over so you can receive police protection.

Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by dbsmith83 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #208
dbsmith83 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...until you get pulled over > Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.

In what kind of emergency would this pose a problem? If you're fleeing a natural disaster, the cops will be fleeing too, so they aren't going to pull you over. If you're fleeing someone who wants to kill you, you want to be pulled over so you can receive police protection.

I don't think you gave this any serious thought. There are a lot of situations

https://www.nfl.com/news/officer-apologizes-after-delaying-t...

https://www.ems1.com/airway-management/articles/video-man-be...

I'm sure you could come up with many more possible scenarios

Re: NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles

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Post by sattoshi »

lamontcg wrote: post #200
josephcsible wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Distinguish "anyone should be capable of driving whatever speed they like" vs. "it should be legal for anyone to drive whatever speed they like".

Most people aren't capable of driving as fast as a trained emergency responder, much less driving like a psycho in a panic because they're dealing with a medical emergency and are completely emotionally unprepared for it. I've been involved in an situation that resulted in a fatality and trying to rescue the victim and for an untrained responder your ability to think and process gets chopped down to around 25% of wha…

Waiting for an ambulance is not a viable strategy everywhere. In Canada, you’ll be lucky to see one show up at all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-woman-str...

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