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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by snarfy »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #503
bartread wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll add more: - Fries CPU and GPU on video calls, making it difficult to use other applications or demo when screensharing - Interacts unfavourably with at least some WiFi drivers leading to unidirectional and bidirectional losses of connectivity - Copy and paste randomly break so you can't copy content from Teams or paste anything into it; applies to both text and images - Doesn't honour setting not to automaticall…

Here's some more: - eats your battery like nothing else. Got charge? Not if teams has anything to do about it. Discord does more, at better quality and doesn't eat that much power. - has some bizarre interaction with the volume slider: clicking it mutes just the teams call, but sliding the volume controls alters the volume level of the whole computer. Why? - cuts off the sides of video, because it defaults to "fit vi…

The audio part drives me crazy. Why does it have to re-implement its own volume controls, device settings, and mixer and completely ignore the OS counterparts? On windows if the OS doesn't do what they need they could just walk over (ok drive over) to the windows guy's office and ask for it. I guess they could also send them a message on Teams but then they would never see it.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by snarfy »

minusf wrote: post #510
FridgeSeal wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's some more: - eats your battery like nothing else. Got charge? Not if teams has anything to do about it. Discord does more, at better quality and doesn't eat that much power. - has some bizarre interaction with the volume slider: clicking it mutes just the teams call, but sliding the volume controls alters the volume level of the whole computer. Why? - cuts off the sides of video, because it defaults to "fit vi…

> cuts off the sides of video this is the same in skype. i never even knew it's a thing until i right clicked on the video feed. this is some microsoft fetish ux from hell.

It makes sense. Teams is skype under the hood.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by coldtea »

rjsw wrote: post #538
viridian wrote: post #536

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I personally find that the more I have to use JIRA, and the more magical ephemeral rules that are set up in it to take actions in response to my actions with it, the more terrible it is to use. I've worked on teams where I just threw info into a card, and it was acceptable to use, and I've worked on teams where commits had to have a JIRA tag associated or the commit got rejected, including in instances where bitbucke…

I'm trying to cleanup a Git tree right now where people haven't put JIRA tags in their commit comments, it is impossible to find out why a change was made, it isn't a totally stupid requirement.

Yes, "let's tie our codebase to the choice of ticket system forever as a means to commit documentation"

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by mmusson »

kylen wrote: post #472
zmmmmm wrote: post #402

Teams doesn't have to be good to succeed. It just has to exist. It's not even very important how good it is. Given it exists, IT will make everyone use it on Microsoft's behalf regardless of how bad it is. Or another way to look at it is that the real customers for Teams are IT departments. It makes their lives easier because they don't have to do anything and it meets all the compliance requirements they are suppose…

Yup. It might even be that while the engineering team is aware of the faults, the MS exec team considers Teams to be brilliant. At the senior level the role becomes a sales role - you are continuously selling your output, team, product, vision, etc internally to the other execs, board, etc. It's important therefore to present whatever you are producing as exceptional. So you look for indicators that support your pitc…

It is the old joke. Dev says it is shit. Manager says it is dung. Senior manager says it has a strong odor. Director says it is powerful features. VP smiles in satisfaction.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by kevincox »

jupp0r wrote: post #516
dustedcodes wrote: post #513

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Someone should make job board where people can filter out companies that use Teams instead of Slack or Discord.

Throw JIRA into the mix while you're on it.

Also can I choose my own OS or am I stuck with the "approved" one or two.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by osigurdson »

Honestly, I don't find it bad at all. It hardly ever crashes or drops connections and we use it a lot.

My only beef is voice communication latency. It is definitely several hundred milliseconds - far worse than using a phone. This leads to very unnatural CB-radio type conversations (you almost need to say "over" when you are finished talking).

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by eertami »

jerojero wrote: post #184
philippejara wrote: post #109

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It's kind of crazy to look back and see just how much worse we are today than some years ago with regards to this stuff. I remember an old social media named Orkut, had pretty much everything facebook had and more, also had a huge userbase in brazil and india(?) iirc, but just goot overtaken by facebook. Original skype would probably work better than zoom does today with a few tweaks(I assume, could be wrong there wh…

Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit. Although you post still stands, I think you're very wrong in thinking about the reasoning why people use one or another platform. Let's think about discord for a minute, why is everyone using it? And what are they using it for? I think the answers here are rather simple, people have a need for communication with peers; this communication usually take…

> mainly that it's not very good for long-form or persistent messaging like a forum.

Discord recently added Forum Channels to try and capture this segment as well.

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6208479917079-...

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