As a Microsoft employee I can say I hate teams. It's just terrible. The search is bad. Formatting code in the message is bad. It bloated. I just need a messaging app. Like lite version of teams.
Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#392My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…
- images are deepfried when pasted into chats
- can't copy an image from a chat and use it elsewhere; you have to find the download button, download it, go to your download folder, so people just screenshot the image in chat
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just try to get it to not start at login... God, why do PMs push this crap. Like users are picking their communication software of the day based on what pops up into their face.
Communication software needs to run in case someone wants to contact you. It should start in the background though.
Wait wüt....
Regardless of software, I decide when I'm available to be contacted... not somebody else.
I already mute all notifications/ringtones on the phone when I want to focus, why should we also start doing this on computers?
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
Teams is decent as a chat client. Zoom is more of a meeting client (it has chat feature but I’ve never met anyone who uses them).
Its not decent, its usable. Decent would be able to switch chat tabs in under a second, reliable quoting (one minute ``` works, next minute it doesn't), an unread messages view like slack, and overall not being a laggy piece of crap. It gets the job done, but its not decent.
And the splitting of Teams/chat is really confusing. At least in my org the teams feature is rarely used, but we have chat groups for everything.
Other than that agree that it’s too slow to load chats, unread notifications doesn’t go away reliably, search sucks etc.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#395It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers. My guess would be that someone believes they need to have every feature from slack, zoom, WebEx, meet etc, and also integrate tightly with every Skype/SharePoint/OneNote feature, and also run on at least four platforms. But they aren't willing to give people time to do this.
> It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers.
Definitely wrong, I have worked there with a few of the best developers and designers, the problem is not with the development side
> My guess would be that someone believes they need to have every feature from slack, zoom, WebEx, meet etc, and also integrate tightly with every Skype/SharePoint/OneNote feature, and also run on at least four platforms.
This is probably the main reason, probably not just with Teams but the whole Office suite
> But they aren't willing to give people time to do this.
If you refer to the above you'll see that there is never enough time to do that, it's too bloated and sometimes with contradicting requirements. If you then add testing it is probably impossible to come up with a good enough product.
Disclaimer- I still think Teams is an OK product and I use it daily
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#396Electron, heavy disk IO, many failed http requests to skype domains, no suitable historical search tool
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think zoom "just works" I'm guessing you haven't seen the quagmire of poor decisions masquerading as code that is zoom on the Linux desktop. Still better than teams though. (With the caveat that it's only useable on Chrome).
I use Teams in enterprise, and Zoom for college. At this point I pretty firmly believe Zoom is hot garbage. Teams syncs with Outlook, and basically every org I interacts with uses Outlook and has Office365 at this point. Teams hasn't been crashy, is responsive, doesn't eat memory, etc. At this point I personally cannot point to why there is so much hate for Teams. Either that or my organisation is doing something wel…
It works pretty well for us in these respects too.
The chat is fucking useless though. We use Slack for that.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#398I never experienced any crashes, and neither can I recall a team mate complaining about that . Bugs I encountered: 1. Opening the link to a scheduled meeting opens the browser (good), but then clicking the "open in teams" and confirming the external URL handler in the browser does... Nothing. Restarting teams fixes that. (Happens for my team mates as well). 2. I have a dedicated USB mic that's always on, while my spe…
Have you never sent a message with images just to later find out that the message wasn't sent and it wouldn't even show up on the chat so you could retry?
Have you never tried to join a meeting where teams made you just sit there for a minute until you decide to restart it?
Have you ever called someone at the same time as they call you, ending you with teams saying that they are calling you at the same time as you are calling them?
Have you ever tried to click on an old message from a search result, just to end up nowhere near the message?
Have you never join late to a meeting because teams didn't notify you that the meeting had started?
If you have an external calendar account linked to outlook, have you never noticed that the linked calendar events don't show up on teams calendar?
Have you ever clicked on a message notification, scrolled a bit up or down to a different message and have teams snap you back to the notification message for no good reason?
Have you ever thought to yourself that it would be nice to use custom background images on video calls, just to realise that Microsoft loves Linux so much that you can't do that on their Linux client?
Have you never noticed your teams status showing that you are in a meeting when you are not, even without any schedules meeting in the calendar?
If not... Well... Lucky you, I guess.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#399I work for a very large insurance company. Pretty much the whole company is on Teams. If Teams was as bad as this thread suggests we would have heard about it (I know this because company-wide we complain bitterly about the anti-malware cruft that gums up our machines daily) So it seems to me that we either got very lucky with our rollout or this thread represents a very vocal minority of people that are experiencing…
Teams truly is that bad. But perhaps it takes power users to see that. A regular user might just give up instead of ranting about it on the net. It’s not that it doesn’t work. It’s that it’s not reliable and performance is bad.
What does a Teams power user look like?
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#400Because microsoft got to big, which distorts the market. We learned this in economy 101 on high school: a monopoly is bad for the consumer. This here is technically not a monopoly but it is close.
The producer of good A is using its momentum in market A to push a product in market B. This way, any big conglomeration can use its big fat ass to push innovation out of market B. All it has to do is offer product B for free, with a purchase of A. This promotes lazy consumerism, nothing good ever comes from it.
This is why coupled sales should be banned. This is why the EU tried to uncouple browsers from OSs, why you now have to explicitly choose a browser.