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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by Lazare »

jerojero wrote: post #184
philippejara wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of crazy to look back and see just how much worse we are today than some years ago with regards to this stuff. I remember an old social media named Orkut, had pretty much everything facebook had and more, also had a huge userbase in brazil and india(?) iirc, but just goot overtaken by facebook. Original skype would probably work better than zoom does today with a few tweaks(I assume, could be wrong there wh…

Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit. Although you post still stands, I think you're very wrong in thinking about the reasoning why people use one or another platform. Let's think about discord for a minute, why is everyone using it? And what are they using it for? I think the answers here are rather simple, people have a need for communication with peers; this communication usually take…

> Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit. Although you post still stands, I think you're very wrong in thinking about the reasoning why people use one or another platform.

There may be some contexts where that's true, but overwhelmingly I've seen Discord replacing forums, particularly for small, closed groups. Wheereas I've never so much as heard of any group adopting a private subreddit! But tons have ended up with a discord as their central social point (whether or not they need or use the voice feature).

I've seen this especially in gaming circles (guilds, clans, etc.) and to a lesser extent in other hobbies or in patient support groups.

I know discord isn't a good match for the technical features of forums, but it seems to be a good fit for how people actually used them.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by satvikchoudhary »

WesleyJohnson wrote: post #44

I agree, it's bad. We were on Slack before, but switched to teams when going all in on Office 365. I really wanted to use the "Teams" feature in teams, along with chat for general chats not specific to projects. That never panned out. We'd never see communications, even with notifications, in the "Teams" area of teams. When I did think to look at the conversations, all of the additional whitespace and padding the Mac…

I have used Teams for 2 years now.

The search actually used to be better earlier, it would show you the message and also the messages around it, now it doesn't.

I have a very decent build at home, new gen amd, 64gigs RAM, the linux desktop app still crashes, it slows down during search whereas slack runs like a monster compared to it.

Whenever a message comes, the tab will do its best to get you out of focus, sucks as a programmer in the zone. I had to mute lot of chats.

Actually no one at work used the teams features, it was only the normal chat. It sucked because there wasn't even the reply feature earlier and we still can't create threads.

It doesn't integrate with any bots, jira or git.

The people who make the decision on what comm platform to use don't need these features. They use email for written coms, and teams for calls.

They feel opting for something other than teams or jira will look bad on them if it doesn't work.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by thekingofrome »

Maarten88 wrote: post #85

Long ago Microsoft had MSN Messenger, which was one of the leading messaging apps. It worked well, and many 'normal' users were using it. Then Microsoft dissolved the team behind it and screwed up the product so bad with bloatware and ads that everyone moved to WhatsApp (except in the US where people went back to texting). Then Microsoft came out with Communicator, renamed it to Lync, which was a corporate messenger/…

TIL people in the US use SMS

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by mr_toad »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #11

It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers. My guess would be that someone believes they need to have every feature from slack, zoom, WebEx, meet etc, and also integrate tightly with every Skype/SharePoint/OneNote feature, and also run on at least four platforms. But they aren't willing to give people time to do this.

> It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers.

Their products targeted to other programmers seem to be nicer to work with. E.g. VS Code, C#, SQL Server. The products aimed at the ‘knowledge workers’, like Teams, and SharePoint are garbage.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by shard »

1123581321 wrote: post #229
analog31 wrote: post #30

It's the iPhone effect: If you use Teams, and something goes wrong, everybody is patient and sympathetic. If you use something else, then it's your fault for being "weird" or "cheap." In my case, my computer came from IT, pre-loaded with Teams, and it runs nearly flawlessly. But I've noticed something else about computers and software. You can have two people with similar jobs, similar computers, similar software, et…

I see that effect a lot. I’m almost always the one who has no problems. I think it’s because I have a good sense of what not to change, I google things I don’t like, I read most of the menus and I know how to back out of config I want to undo. For whatever reason, equally competent people struggle to do these things or are dismissive of them, and then take months or years to realize they’re missing something. There i…

Teams, over 2 years on this laptop and I think there was only one single instance of a problem. Excel, on the other hand...

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by runlevel1 »

rchaud wrote: post #139
delecti wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "military–industrial complex" is the typical term.

It is, but despite it being coined by a former US President and WW2 Allied General, it is now taken to mean something akin to "defund the military".

For those unfamiliar with it, it was President Eisenhower's farewell speech:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower%27s_farewell_addres...

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by coolandsmartrr »

I was applying for a job at a wealthy gaming corp. However, they wouldn't invest in a smoother video-calling software like Zoom, as they just used Teams bundled in their existing Office license.

I got late to a meeting because Teams would crash. When I opened Teams a few minutes before the call, my laptop froze. I thought my laptop performance would improve once enough memory has been allocated to Teams, but it never recovered from the freeze. I had to reboot and start Teams. It finally connected a few minutes after the proposed start time. The HR staff were in a bitter tone by then.

I couldn't get the job. I wish Microsoft would compensate me for a loss caused by their product. They shouldn't be allowed to ship sloppy software under their massive userbase and Microsoft brand (a supposed promise of quality).

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by pragmatick »

s1mon wrote: post #253

I hate how Teams really can’t handle full-duplex conversations, at least with transpacific calls. You pretty much need to speak, pause, and then hope that only one person speaks next, or there’s a series of “sorry, you go ahead…” until someone manages to get started again. Background noise removal and feedback removal is poor compared to the competition. I much prefer Zoom for video/voice conferencing and Slack for t…

That also means that you cannot mute other members. When I'm in a meeting in my office and a colleague sitting next to me is in the same meeting, I can hear them twice, once in real life and once in teams, a couple of hundred seconds later.
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