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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by mildchalupa »

jerojero wrote: post #184
philippejara wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of crazy to look back and see just how much worse we are today than some years ago with regards to this stuff. I remember an old social media named Orkut, had pretty much everything facebook had and more, also had a huge userbase in brazil and india(?) iirc, but just goot overtaken by facebook. Original skype would probably work better than zoom does today with a few tweaks(I assume, could be wrong there wh…

Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit. Although you post still stands, I think you're very wrong in thinking about the reasoning why people use one or another platform. Let's think about discord for a minute, why is everyone using it? And what are they using it for? I think the answers here are rather simple, people have a need for communication with peers; this communication usually take…

It's as though there is a life cycle of an applications development. Early the application is sleek, perhaps not feature rich however instead simple, concise. Either through scope creep, changed ownership or continuous addition of features the application becomes bloated. This could also be the stage of commercialization by way of adds. Finally the application dies as users move onward.

This seems to be fairly common and it seems that as these applications and companies rise and fall that they each bring there own flavor to the mix.

Google maps was concise in 2012, today the app requires a greater number of user inputs to enter a destination for example

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by nikau »

holografix wrote: post #21

Everyone saying teams is garbage. It’s not. It’s like you’re complaining about the kid who got a C in class. Guess what? They passed the exam. Microsoft brutalised Slack with a C grade app that was “bundled for free”. For 80% of people, teams is just fine.

It probably also depends what you are used to.

Younger people have only ever used bloated laggy stuff like teams and don't know any better.

I miss the days of just having a dedicated desk phone - it rings, you answer, and talk instantly.

Teams in comparison pops up a call dialogue box, have to navigate the mouse to answer (because the answer hotkey doesn't work most of the time), wait for it to connect, fuck around fixing your audio devices which have changed for some reason, then finally get to start talking.

Yes teams is better if you are moving around a lot, but if you just work from home or office in a fixed location its a regression in usability.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by Kostic »

jknoepfler wrote: post #199
bluGill wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communication software needs to run in case someone wants to contact you. It should start in the background though.

Communications software needs to run when and only when I want it to run. Who in the heck are you to tell me when to run an application on a device I own?

Do you also start/stop the modem on your phone whenever you need it?

For the majority of people it makes sense to have a comms app always running as they come to expect that from the smartphones.

Granted, there should be an easy way to configure this behavior for advanced users.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by krauses »

imron wrote: post #234
krauses wrote: post #217

I’ve used Teams every day all day for the past 4+ years and I have had minor issues with it ~5 times. Hundreds of my fellow co-workers use it and I’ve not heard anyone run into the consistent issues you’ve described. We use it for 100% of our conference calls, sales calls, 1:1 working sessions, all-hands (hundreds of attendees), virtual trainings, new-hire onboarding, etc… I’d say it’s the most useful software we use…

Ever tried searching for a conversation you had with someone, and you search for something you remember saying, and click ‘go to message’ and rather than take you to the conversation with all the important context you were actually looking for, it just shows that single message on the center of the screen all by itself with no way to see the rest of the conversation? That’s the best.

Can’t say I’ve ran into that.

Try using “/find” function in the global search.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by mildchalupa »

datavirtue wrote: post #185
Maarten88 wrote: post #85

Long ago Microsoft had MSN Messenger, which was one of the leading messaging apps. It worked well, and many 'normal' users were using it. Then Microsoft dissolved the team behind it and screwed up the product so bad with bloatware and ads that everyone moved to WhatsApp (except in the US where people went back to texting). Then Microsoft came out with Communicator, renamed it to Lync, which was a corporate messenger/…

An ancient version of Skype for Business is embedded into my old gaming rig. I have tried on several occasions over the years to nuke it but I could never be bothered to break out a debugger and a process analyzer to get to the root cause. It still opens on every restart. I don't even think Microsoft knows how to remove it.

Same

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by r00fus »

rchaud wrote: post #139
delecti wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "military–industrial complex" is the typical term.

It is, but despite it being coined by a former US President and WW2 Allied General, it is now taken to mean something akin to "defund the military".

It has a bad rap because of the lobbying that defense companies do to ensure their profits are fed by the government. Oh and the wars.

I'd say they're equivalent to Big Pharma or Big Oil - all of which have captured any regulatory agency designed to control their misbehaviors.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by tom9729 »

pxc wrote: post #180
nwallin wrote: post #150

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Three backticks then a space. Then paste the code. then hit enter 4-5 times until it sends it. I don't know where I learned this eldritch incantation--it certainly wasn't in the documentation--but it works.

> this eldritch incantation It's the spawn of an unholy union between Markdown and WYSIWYG. Triple backticks is the opening (and closing) sequence of characters used to denote multiline snippets of 'preformatted text' or code in Markdown. Pressing enter 5 times is what happens because Microsoft insists on preventing you from writing actual Markdown, even as an option. Single backticks works (and you can use a second…

The space wasn't necessary previously, and pasting code DID work, and then an update silently broke it and it's been like that ever since. Now you're supposed to use the formatting toolbar to insert a snippet. What a joke!

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by imron »

krauses wrote: post #244
imron wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever tried searching for a conversation you had with someone, and you search for something you remember saying, and click ‘go to message’ and rather than take you to the conversation with all the important context you were actually looking for, it just shows that single message on the center of the screen all by itself with no way to see the rest of the conversation? That’s the best.

Can’t say I’ve ran into that. Try using “/find” function in the global search.

Used it. Doesn’t help.

And while we’re in the subject, global find is also awful.

Why do I have to find then click through to more messages before it gives me filtering options. It’s incredibly unintuitive.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by rvense »

jerojero wrote: post #184
philippejara wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of crazy to look back and see just how much worse we are today than some years ago with regards to this stuff. I remember an old social media named Orkut, had pretty much everything facebook had and more, also had a huge userbase in brazil and india(?) iirc, but just goot overtaken by facebook. Original skype would probably work better than zoom does today with a few tweaks(I assume, could be wrong there wh…

Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit. Although you post still stands, I think you're very wrong in thinking about the reasoning why people use one or another platform. Let's think about discord for a minute, why is everyone using it? And what are they using it for? I think the answers here are rather simple, people have a need for communication with peers; this communication usually take…

> Forums weren't replaced by discord. Forums were replaced by Reddit.

Technically, reddit and Discourse is more like forums, but a lot of things that would have been a forum 15 years ago are now Discord "servers".

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