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Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#141

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Yes! I'm getting around 10 Dick's Sporting Goods emails per day. It's a relief to know it's not just me.

I'm expecting my Yeti cooler any day now

That's what so crazy. Millions of people marking the Yeti cooler mail as spam, yet the same email continues for months.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#142
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I get about 10 per day. They all seem to come from hacked O365/Gmail accounts. All 4 of my Gmail accounts are affected. It's all the same crap that's obviously spam. "Dear Friend, I hope this email finds you well. I need your assistance in a matter..." "You've been chosen!" "Home Depot/TruGreen/Dicks Sporting Goods/ADT-Security" "Invoice enclosed" "You've received a direct deposit..." "Hot sex " I would guess that Gm…

The "Dicks Sporting Goods" email is insane - probably hourly at the moment, from what would appear obviously bogus email senders. What is the non-obvious answer as to why these get through?

I received 3 of these the other day. For those not aware, Dicks is the largest sporting goods store chain in the USA.

DICKS SPORTINGGOODS!!

Subject: You've beean chosen! SPF: PASS with IP 40.107.117.103 Learn more DKIM: 'PASS' with domain acohhovldzbqmulu.ml

Dicks Sporting Goods Winner Subject: -You've been chosen! SPF: PASS with IP 40.107.215.70 Learn more DKIM: 'PASS' with domain chistezlhekofu.ml Learn more

Google detects them all as Persian, and asks if I want to translate.

Also interesting:

Message ID

The only text in the message:

Your Name Came Up For a YETI Hopper M//20 Cooler customer Gift

Ends up linking to here: https://templarswoards.com/39adf46955f3971c805bc32b65a2cb08

After filling out a 'survey' it asks for name, address, email, phone

https://www.simplediscountshop.com/staging/backpack/refresht...

It then asks for a credit card number to pay the $6.95 shipping

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#143
post #141

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I'm expecting my Yeti cooler any day now

That's what so crazy. Millions of people marking the Yeti cooler mail as spam, yet the same email continues for months.

I have 4 Dicks yeti emails, all in my spam folder.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#144
Late to the party here but if you scroll through the source of these messages, there are a few domains they use to host the "image" inside the message. Additionally some of the spammers try and use the "coord" HTML element to put links on their images.

If you create a filter to immediately delete the messages with "coord" in the source and these image domains you should be decently covered: iili.io, caringbridge.org, mailingghost.store

If anyone is interested in working towards root cause on this please let me know.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#145

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Thank you! I somehow never came across that URL before. It's worth a try, though I'm not very optimistic it will help! I'd genuinely be interested to know from someone working at Google why Google can't / won't solve this, even for the narrow clearly-defined cases I see.

A) How much money does it cost Google to fix a problem? B) How much money does it cost Google to not fix a problem? If A > B then, duh!

Just set a filter to automatically forward spam to sundar (at) google (dot) com

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#146
post #90

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Zero spam in my inbox, zero items in the spam folder (where they are deleted after 30 days). GMail is not my primary email, though. I use it for Meetup.com, Slack, Steam, maybe one or two other things. A quick google search suggests that my email address does not appear on the internet. Maybe people not suffering from spam have similarly private addresses?

I'm pretty sure my main gmail account has actually been dumped in a hack somewhere, it's old as time itself, and I STILL don't get any spam in it. In fact, I actually miss occasionally useful stuff because half my incoming email gets classified as "promotions" and put in a separate folder I never check that was automatically created when I made the account. It's stuff like emails from humble bundle about new bundles…

That subfoldering made me miss a lot of important stuff too. I turned it off when I realized what I wasn’t seeing.

Everything goes to inbox now. I heavily pruned the number of lists I’m on and just deal with the spam-adjacent stuff as it comes in; better than missing something I need to know.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#147

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A) How much money does it cost Google to fix a problem? B) How much money does it cost Google to not fix a problem? If A > B then, duh!

Just set a filter to automatically forward spam to sundar (at) google (dot) com

You assume of course someone not related to Googs other than having a gmail account is NOT the one with that email address.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#148
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I'm having the opposite problem. The spam filter keeps marking things as spam, when they clearly are not, and I have no way of telling it that they aren't. Now, I mostly don't mind it, but getting credit reports swept off my inbox is starting to get annoying.

Sure you can. Mark it as "not spam". Of course, do that once, and you'll immediately start getting more spam, but that's another problem.

I do. Every time in fact. But the spam filter refuses to “learn”.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#149

I'm having the opposite problem. The spam filter keeps marking things as spam, when they clearly are not, and I have no way of telling it that they aren't. Now, I mostly don't mind it, but getting credit reports swept off my inbox is starting to get annoying.

You can create filter rules that explicitly mark email from specific senders or with specific keywords as "never send to spam".

I know that. But it is hard to understand that the same company that literally learns from your online behaviour, in order to target you with ads, cannot make its spam filter a bit smarter.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

#150
post #44

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The "Dicks Sporting Goods" email is insane - probably hourly at the moment, from what would appear obviously bogus email senders. What is the non-obvious answer as to why these get through?

I received 3 of these the other day. For those not aware, Dicks is the largest sporting goods store chain in the USA. DICKS SPORTINGGOODS!! Subject: You've beean chosen! SPF: PASS with IP 40.107.117.103 Learn more DKIM: 'PASS' with domain acohhovldzbqmulu.ml Dicks Sporting Goods Winner Subject: -You've been chosen! SPF: PASS with IP 40.107.215.70 Learn more DKIM: 'PASS' with domain chistezlhekofu.ml Learn more Google…

Funny enough, those emails caught my attention too and I was even trying to `curl -v` my way through the redirect chain before stumbling upon this thread.

Weirdly, in my case the links in the email were pointing at lnkd.in/, which is a legit Linked in domain. However, with that payload it was 301-me to some garbage script on google storage and then some shady website. I'm curious how did they make lnkd.in respond with 301 to whatever they want and can't there be a vulnerability of some sort.

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