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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by kortex »

musicale wrote: post #24

Teams is buggy, clunky, and unreliable, though fairly feature rich. I find things like Google stuff/Slack/Discord to be somewhat more reliable and less unpleasant to use (even if Discord is another clunky Electron app.) But few things can compare to Zoom's astonishingly cavalier attitude toward security and privacy, and Zoom seems unavoidable in many contexts.

I will say at least their security game has been stepping up. They've really curtailed what information is available through their apis by default.

Still not...great. But at least trending in the right direction.

On the other hand, the privacy situation... jesus I've never seen more analytics and cookies in my life than when I inspect my profile page on zoom.us.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by locusofself »

It works OK for me. Not my favorite app, but it gets the job done for the most part.

The search is frustrating (find a result but can't jump back to the full context?) and the UI is laggy on my laptop. The call/video features work as good as anything else I've used in the past.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by drewcoo »

Maarten88 wrote: post #85

Long ago Microsoft had MSN Messenger, which was one of the leading messaging apps. It worked well, and many 'normal' users were using it. Then Microsoft dissolved the team behind it and screwed up the product so bad with bloatware and ads that everyone moved to WhatsApp (except in the US where people went back to texting). Then Microsoft came out with Communicator, renamed it to Lync, which was a corporate messenger/…

Microsoft had several different non-interoperable message apps, including two named "Messenger." Those golden days didn't look so shiny when we were there.

Luckily, there was Pidgin/Adium, so we could have one app to talk all the protocols.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by vinhant »

jrib wrote: post #45

My company is transitioning to Teams and I find it frustrating. So much so that I collect my complaints in a confluence page. I could be wrong on some of these, so happy to be corrected! No links You can’t link to conversations. This means if you want to add context to a Jira ticket or in a code comment, you can’t easily do so. Inconsistent UI The UI between a Teams channel and a chat with multiple people is not cons…

Regarding code block, try ``` (backtick 3 times then space)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by kareemsabri »

midoridensha wrote: post #114
mig39 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even crazier when you realize Orkut was owned by Google!

That was the problem. Orkut was successful, but that doesn't stop Google from shutting down services. Trusting a Google service to be around long-term is folly unless it's Maps or Gmail.

I don't think Orkut was successful for Google, where success in measured in annual revenue in billions.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by ghiculescu »

colinmhayes wrote: post #105
hangonhn wrote: post #72

Because it doesn't need to improve. It just needs to check some checkboxes. It's "free" as part of Microsoft Office 365. It allows the IT department to check a checkbox and de-incentivize them from looking at Slack. With Slack you have to pay for and is yet another app to administer. Many IT departments who are already Microsoft customers will have an easier time rolling that out than a new app. No new purchase order…

Right, every Fortune 500 company already has a msft office contract. Getting everyone on teams is as easy as an IT guy clicking a box and everyone has it on their computer. Doesn’t have to be a great product when it’s that easy to start using. Really Microsoft’s entire company revolves around this “lock them in and utilize our relationship to grow new products” strategy.

Hmm, but many of those companies probably have a Salesforce contract too. What do you think will happen if/when SF bundles Slack?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by Forge36 »

I've been told it's better running inside chrome (I've yet to test this).

I suspect the complicated features mixed with weird memory/performance management techniques and automated testing don't align well with user use cases (try copy pasting large conversations and notice I'll start deselecting text as you scroll).

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by rchaud »

delecti wrote: post #102
ineedasername wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need another less polarized word than deep state to describe the various industrial complexes entrenched in military & government, and the revolving door of employment between government -> lobbyists -> industry etc.

I think "military–industrial complex" is the typical term.

It is, but despite it being coined by a former US President and WW2 Allied General, it is now taken to mean something akin to "defund the military".

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by cmiles74 »

vinhant wrote: post #134
jrib wrote: post #45

My company is transitioning to Teams and I find it frustrating. So much so that I collect my complaints in a confluence page. I could be wrong on some of these, so happy to be corrected! No links You can’t link to conversations. This means if you want to add context to a Jira ticket or in a code comment, you can’t easily do so. Inconsistent UI The UI between a Teams channel and a chat with multiple people is not cons…

Regarding code block, try ``` (backtick 3 times then space)

It's easy to forget as literally no other application works this way.
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