Because it doesn't need to be better. What are companies going to do, stop paying for Office 365? Who will give them Word and Excel then?
Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#112From a financial point of view the answer is because you’re not paying for it Teams is bundled with Office 365 to steal marketshare from other companies like Discord who charge a bit more and are a stand alone service. It’s why Salesforce bought Slack. CFOs at Fortune 500 companies want to be efficient with their spending so they won’t buy an extra license if their existing bundle is “good enough” Teams is “good enou…
They aren't in the same market as Discord. It's Teams vs Slack.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#113Long ago Microsoft had MSN Messenger, which was one of the leading messaging apps. It worked well, and many 'normal' users were using it. Then Microsoft dissolved the team behind it and screwed up the product so bad with bloatware and ads that everyone moved to WhatsApp (except in the US where people went back to texting). Then Microsoft came out with Communicator, renamed it to Lync, which was a corporate messenger/…
It's kind of crazy to look back and see just how much worse we are today than some years ago with regards to this stuff. I remember an old social media named Orkut, had pretty much everything facebook had and more, also had a huge userbase in brazil and india(?) iirc, but just goot overtaken by facebook. Original skype would probably work better than zoom does today with a few tweaks(I assume, could be wrong there wh…
Even crazier when you realize Orkut was owned by Google!
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's kind of crazy to look back and see just how much worse we are today than some years ago with regards to this stuff. I remember an old social media named Orkut, had pretty much everything facebook had and more, also had a huge userbase in brazil and india(?) iirc, but just goot overtaken by facebook. Original skype would probably work better than zoom does today with a few tweaks(I assume, could be wrong there wh…
Even crazier when you realize Orkut was owned by Google!
That was the problem. Orkut was successful, but that doesn't stop Google from shutting down services. Trusting a Google service to be around long-term is folly unless it's Maps or Gmail.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#115Still? It started good and became bad, like most software. And, as is also the norm, there is no amount of money that can fix shitty software unless you Ship-of-Theseus it, which is fundamentally at odds with the ideologies of most project managers, whose rankings of how much they enjoy doing things are, from highest to lowest:
- Showing off optics bullshit like burndown charts
- Adding features
- Fixing extremely severe and well-documented bugs
- Committing some token time to pretending to fix tech debt
- Cleaning toilets with a toothbrush
- Actually fixing tech debt
- Fixing bugs
- Hammering nails through each of their own toes
- Making good software
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#116The backend tech for Teams is so bad that you receive notifications of something even before it appears on screen which is terrible UX wise, the UI tells you something is happening but it's actually happenning 2sec later.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
We need another less polarized word than deep state to describe the various industrial complexes entrenched in military & government, and the revolving door of employment between government -> lobbyists -> industry etc.
Or we need to stop banning words because people we don't like start using them (correctly, I might add.) It's annoying that once some people started saying that the country was run by a deep state populated by communist lizard child molesters, the reaction was to start insisting that there wasn't a deep state at all. Maybe we can say military-industrial complex? Nice, venerable, well-established phrase, notably popul…
> Or we need to stop banning words because people we don't like start using them (correctly, I might add.)
Who is banning words? At least in the US you have every right to say 'deep state' all you want but it probably doesn't mean in other people's minds what you might want anymore. I mean, it's the way of language evolution that when a phrase picks up a much different and negative connotation from what it had previously people stop using it.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#118Because it's built according to how Microsoft is organized and how they work.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#119I teach visual effects and digital art. I am used to the madly compLex interfaces (Maya, Blender, Nuke etc). I have no fear of such software. But I am completely defeated by Teams.
- Why two windows when you are in a meeting? The second window is sometimes hard to find intuitively.
- Why, when opening an attachment, is the user locked out of chat? Again, with many windows open, the preview can look and function like whatever app is native to the previewed file.
- is there a way to disable camera previews when sharing screen? The two together take up way too much interface. If there is a way, I should not have to search for it.
- Upload a file to chat and sending that file are two separate actions. Why? I can’t count the number of times I have to remind students to press the send button after upload.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#120I dont mind teams for calls, i despise it for text chat