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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by avgcorrection » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 7:40 PM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #40

avgcorrection wrote: post #27

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Fat is an essential macronutrient.

Fat includes transfat. This back-and-forth does an excellent job of underlining GPs point about those being complex subjects that require study and nuanced explanation.

Transfat? What is that? Oh, it’s that dietary fat which is illegal where I live and hence completely irrelevant to me.

There is hardly a back and forth here. Fat is essential and a lot of is not harmful.

The best you could do is to point out that heavily processed vegetable oils are harmful and probably give you too much omega-6. The cure? Just switch to things like olive oil and animal fats.

Compare this to sugar (also mentioned by the poster).. Which is... not essential to anything. Your body does not need it. It is actively harmful. Carbohydrates however can be fine, and fiber is good, but the particular kind of carbohydrate known as sugar (like the two molecular compounds more or less) are no bueno.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by avgcorrection » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #115

Bud wrote: post #47

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It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

It never fails to amaze me how the benefits of hindsight can cause us to forget how little we used to know or how long it took us to learn. This is the exact type of science that we’re arguing needs to be extended to cannabis.

Go feign surprise somewhere else, mate. Fat was the dietary scapegoat for decades because the powers that be wanted to sell us cereal-dominated diets, not because there was some amazing science that proved (at the time) that fat was bad and carbs were good.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by oaktrout » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 11:34 PM UTC

skissane wrote: post #179

oaktrout wrote: post #135

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I have a feeling that these individuals (I could only find two in my pubmed search) were suffering from schizophrenia, not cannabis-induced psychosis. Maybe you could make the argument that the cannabis caused the schizophrenia, but that's still a different diagnosis. In the case you link the guy had smoked weed for two years prior with no apparent issues. Yes his psychosis resolved after he stopped using cannabis, b…

> I could only find two in my pubmed search See this paper – Veeder TA, Leo RJ. Male genital self-mutilation: a systematic review of psychiatric disorders and psychosocial factors. Gen Hosp Psychiatry. 2017 Jan-Feb;44:43-50. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.genhosppsych.2016.09.003 Epub 2016 Sep 14. PMID: 28041576. To quote its abstract: > Data were obtained from 173 cases: genital mutilation (n=21), penile amputation (n=62…

Thanks, I searched for cannabis specifically which would explain why this didn't show up. I imagine much of the substance use auto amputations are in people who do things like PCP.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by oaktrout » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 11:42 PM UTC

opportune wrote: post #150

oaktrout wrote: post #135

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I have a feeling that these individuals (I could only find two in my pubmed search) were suffering from schizophrenia, not cannabis-induced psychosis. Maybe you could make the argument that the cannabis caused the schizophrenia, but that's still a different diagnosis. In the case you link the guy had smoked weed for two years prior with no apparent issues. Yes his psychosis resolved after he stopped using cannabis, b…

I hear this argument every time someone does something bad on psychedelics and cannabis. I’ve also heard that, if the patient had no history of schizophrenia or related disorders, they must have just had it latent and were bound to get it anyway. Bottom line is there is no way for any individual to really know if they have latent schizophrenia anyway, and I think it’s a conveniently non-disprovable explanation for wh…

I think calling cannabis bad or good is a false dichotomy. Sometimes peanuts kill children, that doesn't make peanuts "bad". Maybe cannabis causes schizophrenia in rare cases, does that make it "bad"?

In this specific case, the authors started him on a treatment for schizophrenia and he got better. Why continue him on this treatment if they thought it was simply the cannabis that caused it (as he would abstain from then on). Also, they increased his dose prior to discharge.

I'm not arguing that cannabis didn't cause his schizophrenia, just that this doesn't sound like cannabis induced psychosis, which is a different diagnosis with different prognosis.