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60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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post #219

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> so what is your take on the issues GP identified I refuse to discuss it here, because much of the site's userbase seems incapable of having an even slightly nuanced political discussion, and I will possibly get a nasty comment from moderation accusing me of flame-baiting or something. The best I can do it argue for epistemic humility, because at least people generally find that abstractly palatable. > "Putin and ot…

So basically all you are doing is claiming to have a nuanced take, but you aren't capable of expressing it in a way that won't get caught by HN moderation who despite me being an eccentric hothead that can't always resist some snark manages to no accuse me of bad faith, and rarely if ever seems to censor interesting debates. Forgive me if I take this as evidence that your arguments and thought might be less nuanced a…

> won't get caught by HN moderation who despite me being an eccentric hothead that can't always resist some snark manages to no accuse me of bad faith, and rarely if ever seems to censor interesting debates.

Have you considered that this may be because your comments are insufficiently original to ever fall outside of the overton window of the site?

> the output of a completely different culture and system has nothing to do with the output of Russia

My friend, you are the one who claimed that industrial output was the criteria by which we could judge the russian system is worse than the western one.

I agree this argument is nonsense.

> without stating your own take

I already explained why I can't do this on this site.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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post #222

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Ah now, if the US had formented a coup in 2014 then why didn't the pro Russian people of Ukraine reelect the original people in later elections? It seems to me at least that the Maida revolution was driven more by anger against corruption and a desire to join the EU than the US involvement (which there definitely was, along with Russian involvement).

Because the candidate was banned and the party dissolved.

And nazi paramilitary gangs were burning people alive and shelling cities.

But no Ukraine is pure as fresh fallen snow.

The extent to which westerners have internalised a fact free vitrolic hatred of russia is downright terrifying.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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Because Yanukovych, after he was removed by Parliament, immediately fled to Russia.

Sure, but if it was a coup orchestrated by the US, the next elections would have returned someone similar to power, right?

That's not how coups work. Once in power the new regime changed the Constitution. Think of it as "pulling up the ladder" behind them.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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Off the top of my head: Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island martyrs, Zelensky "I don't need a ride" line, Azovstal "heroes" evacuating, Mariupol hospital, Kramatorsk bomb, Putin having cancer, Ukraine bombing their own POWs, Ukraine shelling Zaporizhia nuclear power plant, old man shooting down an SU-25 with a rifle, etc. Essentially the western media just repeats everything they hear from the Ukrainian MOD. According to an…

Ok let’s go down the list. Ghost of Kyiv, likely fake but harmless propaganda. Snake island martyrs, you mean the go fuck your self thing ? It does have been said on radio, but then it turned out the guys were still alive. Not sure if it’s propaganda or the guys having no way to communicate that they were still alive. In any case, harmless propaganda. Azovstal heroes evacuating, well they did fight heroically, I’m no…

Disclaimer: I'm pro ruZZian bot.

> Snake island martyrs, you mean the go fuck your self thing ?

Not quite right. Ukrainian government initially stated that 13 border guards were killed and president Zelenskyy announced that all of them will be posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine. However, all of them were alive and 19 Ukrainian salor were later released.

> I’m not sure what’s fake about their evacuation, the last of them have been captured.

Ukrainian government said that Azovstal heroes were evacuated (I'm not a native English speaker, as you may have guessed, but evacuation means release), but in reality they surrendered.

> Mariupol hospital

It is assumed that russians hit hospital w/ aviabomb. Two days before attack, russian government mentioned, that Azov batallion used hospital X as a shelter and there were no (!) patients. But then russians attacked hospital Y (looks like by mistake) and one pregnant woman died. Another pregnant woman, who appeared on photoes, after that gave controversal interview where she said that she didn't hear any bomber, hence russian media assumed that Ukrainians attacked hospital using artillery. Interview is controversal, because it confirmed: everything that russian govt/media said about hospital before was a lie.

> Putin having cancer has always been rumors, no official statements, and it could be true, cancer doesn’t mean instant death.

Second that. He definitely has neurological issues, but not sure about cancer.

And Russia's turn.

> Ukraine being full of nazis, official statements, very harmful.

As far as I can see, there are more nazis in Russia. Russian propaganda always mentioned, that there was a political party (The Right Sector) and they used Nazi symbols, however on last election they didn't surpass minimal barrier. Worth adding, even before 2014, there was a famous Ukrainian chant: "Moskalyaku na gilyaku" - very offensive term towards russians (https://bazovo.ru/en/cerebral-palsy/moskalyaku-na-gilyaku-ch...).

> Bio labs

The funny thing w/ this bio labs is that they were created during Soviet period. The US saw them as a threat after the collapse of the USSR and therefore simply sponsored them to do NOTHING. Technically, they are still bio labs and yes, they are sponsored by US, but they are not harmful.

> Ukraine most corrupt nation on earth

Partially this is true. You can read about this issue from Finnish soldier perspective https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381 (Google Translate is fine) - "Some of the grants disappeared into the wrong pockets".

And finally..

> Ukrainian propaganda is culprit of wishful thinking

As a russian speaking, I read both media and Telegram channels, and I can see all the hatred towards russian citizens, who even DOESN'T support Putin and the War.

And the biggest lie so far is stories about the sexual rape. Notable fact is that Ukrainian ombudsman Denisova was sacked for excessive lies about woman rapes. The Commissioner of the President of Ukraine for Children's Rights Daria Gerasimchuk on the Polish TV channel "Belsat" exposed fake Ukrainian propaganda about the alleged violence by the Russian military against Ukrainian children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUBRGUH-Kc). The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine has not a single confirmed fact of violence so far.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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You must be kidding, right? Ukraine didn't invade Russia, neither in 2014 nor in 2022.

Clearly he thinks that when the Ukrainian people threw out the russian puppet head of state that was an aggressive attack against Russia so everything done since then is in self defence.

This fits the bias hypotheses. Facts gets twisted in the way that confirms your bias that already exists.

If the population elects a head of state you don't like, it's a pro-Russian puppet. If the person is pro-USA, it's an expressed democratic will.

If government gets changed on the streets, it's not a coup, it's a pinnacle of democracy, as long as you don't like the former head of state.

If people you don't like start a rebellion, they are terrorists who need to be crushed. Or a democratic liberation army, if you like them.

If the regular army of a state is sent to crush a rebellion, it's either a genocide and the country needs to be bombed to oblivion, or a legal action where any atrocity is allowed because you are fighting an evil terrorist organization.

Seen thousands of times on any of the mainstream TV in any "western" country. (in "eastern" countries too).

You just have to put a "correct" frame based on your pre-existing knowledge who's your friend and who's your enemy, and the whole narrative fits perfectly.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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The problem with them taking each other out is the millions of innocents they’d kill along the way. The only good outcome is a peace agreement.

Unfortunately that was tried post Crimea and didn't work.

True, sadly the Ukranian state refused to uphold the Minsk agreements guaranteeing regional autonomy to the Donbas. Instead, they kept bombing the region.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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post #265

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/biden-didnt-accept-putins-re...

I don't understand why you're still pursuing this argument when Kremlin has dropped the NATO pretext quite a long time ago. According to Putin[1], now it's a special operation to liberate Donbas from their Ukro-Nazi overlords. The Russian PR machine has recently been struggling to find better justifications to this pointless carbon copy of a 19th century colonial war. As a result of this war, Finland and Sweden joine…

Why do you believe the diplomatic situation is the same pre war as post war?

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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> It’s like saying that the other classmates didn’t let the bully copy their homework so he is right in beating the everliving shit out of a completely different kid. Is this the only way that situation gets resolve or are there any alternatives? Why is the kid a bully? Why does he feel the need to copy homework? Maybe the classmates should group together and seriously injury the bully first, would they be in the rig…

The point is it does not matter that the kid has a horrible life. It's still bullying and attacking people and needs to stop. The first rule of helping a family member with depression or a friend lashing out in pain is protect yourself, otherwise you can't help anyone . The situation would be different if e.g. Ukraine had invaded Russian territory after the invasion of Crimea, or had done broken armistices beforehand…

I'm confused from how we got to "USA potentially had the ability to prevent the war if they had..." to "This means long before we can talk about Russia maybe feeling threatened by NATO expansion they need to stop the war they started."

USA/west could have made concessions that weren't really concessions (taking Ukraine NATO off the table) before the 2022 invasion. Those concessions may or may not have worked. We're now just supposed to ignore that fact and pretend that it never happened until some point in the future that may never take place?

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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post #199

That is why you don't read news on Twitter. Read a (online) newspaper. For the war in Ukraine specifically: https://novayagazeta.eu/ https://meduza.io/ And if you are really interested in pro-Kremlin news try https://www.kp.ru/ All websites can be translated reasonably well with Google Translate. Medusa and Novaya Gazetta also do translate some articles to English, but these are always some days behind.

Suggesing _russian_ newspapers non-ironically to read news is like suggesting someone to read Daily Mail for latests political developments. Wherever you read your news at the very least make sure there's no russian trace there. Russian imperial midset is a huge bias in the current situation and the forementioned meduza isn't any different in this regard.

> Russian imperial midset is a huge bias in the current situation and the forementioned meduza isn't any different in this regard.

Meduza does not promote any kind of imperial Russian mindset. These are independent journalists, which do the best they can to deliver high quality news from Russia even under the very difficult circumstance nowadays. You clearly have never read their website.

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