I see that nobody here had to use Skype for Business or WebEx... This is the better future people!
Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#32It’s good enough.
...for the business strategy:
1. Neutralize the threat from Slack (AKA Salesforce)
2. Give Enterprise sales teams a checklist item
3. Don't spend a dime more than necessary on software development
4. Integrate with the rest of the MS enterprise product line
On top of those goals, the internal sponsors of Teams have to survive the savage internal politics at Microsoft, so the product is designed to threaten no important factions.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#33Everyone saying teams is garbage. It’s not. It’s like you’re complaining about the kid who got a C in class. Guess what? They passed the exam. Microsoft brutalised Slack with a C grade app that was “bundled for free”. For 80% of people, teams is just fine.
Agreed. I use both apps simultaneously (I have them both open right now). Admittedly, Teams uses a lot more RAM, but I have a lot of RAM. I would never know this unless I checked it.
my 64GB RAM Macbook freezes when using Teams - should I get more ;)
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#34I see that nobody here had to use Skype for Business or WebEx... This is the better future people!
Those are nightmare!
And not to speak about Skype for business predecesor, Microsoft Lync.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#35Microsoft focuses entirely on MVP (minimum viable product) and they expand their use-cases to include more features at a minimal amount of effort.
Polish and use-ability don't matter when they can sell anything if it has XYZ feature.
If you look at the teams roadmap it's more and more features.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#36Can't even copy and paste code etc
What a joke.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#37We use zoom but are switching to teams. As an engineer my absoutley must have feature is screen sharing with collaborative annotation. I waited with bated breath for the 'active annotation' feature that was on the teams roadmap for months to be released. And then it was. To my horror it was the epitome of bloat. It essentially takes a screenshot of the presenters desktop and then starts a whiteboard session. It takes…
I am not a zoom user, but I do use the "write on someone else's screen" feature quite often in slack when screen-sharing, and what you're describing in teams sounds like utter crap.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#38I wonder how many of these complaints are due to Teams itself or if it's due to the crappy "corporate" builds deployed to the PCs? My guess is that it's more due to the crappy corporate builds since I've seen so many of them that don't have up-to-date drivers (or have missing drivers), and many of them have multiple competing security scanning software, along with over-strict policies and restrictions that affect Teams.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#39I wonder how many of these complaints are due to Teams itself or if it's due to the crappy "corporate" builds deployed to the PCs? My guess is that it's more due to the crappy corporate builds since I've seen so many of them that don't have up-to-date drivers (or have missing drivers), and many of them have multiple competing security scanning software, along with over-strict policies and restrictions that affect Tea…
It’s Teams. On a intel Mac with no management software, it is a shitty, buggy mess.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?
#40This happens because of how Microsoft approaches product development and design. On many product teams, PMs end up doing not only the product design decisions but even designs much of the products themselves.
This works for them because it focuses product cycles on releasing what "matters" to the customer, but it ends up cutting craft and quality. This makes their products poor to use, but is also what drives revenue into their hands.
They don't really need to be the best or the fastest. They just have to have decent products that aren't the worst (I prefer Teams over Webex), and glom those products together into an affordable package.
For better or worse, Microsoft product suites are like the Olive Garden of the product world.
edit: whoa, got more comments than I thought. For disclosure, I did a brief stint as a PM intern there way back in the day. Wanted to join as a UX designer intern, but got shoe-horned into the PM role