It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers. My guess would be that someone believes they need to have every feature from slack, zoom, WebEx, meet etc, and also integrate tightly with every Skype/SharePoint/OneNote feature, and also run on at least four platforms. But they aren't willing to give people time to do this.
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#12Absolutely incredibly garbage, how do they have the audacity to ship something so bad? The few times I tried to use it for large important meetings were a total shit show. I experienced a situation where everyone could see and hear only about half of the other meeting participants, but not the same set for everyone. It was really incredibly confusing for everyone involved.
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#13It certainly doesn't help that it's an Electron app and a fat one at that.
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#14I suggest you try the web app version, it’s faster and more stable.
In fact, I believe Microsoft will replace the desktop client with a web app shell.
You can try it out today;
1. Install the Microsoft Edge Web browser on Mac or Windows 2. Log into https://teams.microsoft.com 3. Click … > Apps > Install this site as an app 4. Enjoy!
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#15Large companies don't seem to be able to produce good software consistently.
What are the exceptions to this proposed rule? I can't think of any off the top of my head. JPL isn't a large company.
I've always had pretty good luck w/ Apple software just working and no real hassle. I would say they largely accomplish this with minimalism... it has far less features than any comparable products from MS, which can be annoying if you need those missing features. MS seems focused on adding features without extensively testing/debugging, so many of them don't work.
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#16It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers. My guess would be that someone believes they need to have every feature from slack, zoom, WebEx, meet etc, and also integrate tightly with every Skype/SharePoint/OneNote feature, and also run on at least four platforms. But they aren't willing to give people time to do this.
This is spot on. I remember thinking that they added so many features very early on, even though they were still struggling with the most basic ones. And it sounds like they still do.
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What are the exceptions to this proposed rule? I can't think of any off the top of my head. JPL isn't a large company.
Oracle database is rock solid.
Lol, sure- for certain use-cases, it works fine. But the only way it stays consistently good is because Big-O severely limits the scope.
The Oracle DB internal team culture is just plain depressing. Stuck 30 years in the past in terms of development practices, little or no innovation is allowed. Function names are limited to four or five characters, and the source control is literally from the nineties. Maybe that's the secret to success: Trap enough H1Bs and use the whip.
I suppose it all depends on how you define "good quality". Across many dimensions, Oracle is somehow better than average.
Maybe it's because, for all it's faults, Oracle does always prioritize security what "quality", whatever management decides that means.
Sure beats the Google strategy of constantly murdering anything that isn't Gmail or Search. Is this even a real strategy, or just the lack of one?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are the exceptions to this proposed rule? I can't think of any off the top of my head. JPL isn't a large company.
I've always had pretty good luck w/ Apple software just working and no real hassle. I would say they largely accomplish this with minimalism... it has far less features than any comparable products from MS, which can be annoying if you need those missing features. MS seems focused on adding features without extensively testing/debugging, so many of them don't work.
So strange, I had the opposite experience with Apple software, particularly with macOS. I always envied those talking about the seamless experience - I had quite a lot of problems with it. iOS was great.
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#20Simply put, Microsoft has existed for 30 years with nothing but disdain for their customers and it has never once hurt them. So why stop now? Microsoft exists because of weak minded people who choose it because it's the front runner and are scared that choosing anything else may make them responsible for a choice they have made(same vein as no one ever got fired for choosing IBM, until that wasn't true anymore). In t…
If you had some concrete examples I might read with more interest but TBH this just comes across as a rather emotional whinge.