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Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by aussiesnack »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #145
afandian wrote: post #140

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How well does it work if you don't have a Google account?

It doesn't.

Which means that Google can simply lock you out of your Chromebook, for entirely arbitrary (and not even necessarily disclosed) reasons, at any moment. There's no practical avenue of appeal - Google is vast and even governments have trouble keeping it to heel. Individuals have no chance against these obdurate nation-sized entities. I think any Chromebook purchase, beyond the most cheap and cheerful throwaway, would be a crazy hostage to fortune.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by HereBeBeasties »

kyrra wrote: post #102
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #68

This is awesome! I still use my Pixelbook, and I love it, and was always dismayed that it seemed to be yet another great product that Google lost interest in. For folks wondering "who's the market in this?", the Linux container support in ChromeOS is awesome - my Pixelbook was actually a great dev laptop (I ran postgres, VSCode, Node, etc on it), just with age it's lack of upgrades is starting to show. So for me, on…

Googler, opinions are my own. Google definitely has not lost interest. The Chromebook team at Google is actually involved in almost (all?) Chromebooks made. Since Google is responsible for all firmware/software updates for the life of that Chromebook, they are involved in that way. As well, the hardware/firmware teams here do a lot of the core engineering to getting the core parts of the hardware working (motherboard…

After spending £2k on a high end HP x360 only three years ago, and suffering since from horrid thermal throttling, crazy loud constant fans, terrible battery life (2.5 hours at almost idle light web browsing usage) and a spicy pillow battery, followed by being ghosted by their tech support (three attempts to contact) and finally discovering via YouTube that they don't even supply battery replacements for this model, I can only recommend you stay as far away from HP as possible.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by flkiwi »

ayushnix wrote: post #307
xorcist wrote: post #222

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> Even on a device designed to support Linux (Framework, Thinkpad, whatever) There's apparently a world of difference. Nothing about the Framework suggests it was designed for Linux. A proper Thinkpad does not have issues with hibernation, or losing battery, or graphics, or any of the other things you mentioned. I just want something that works, and will receive updates as long as there are users. I don't want to muc…

> A proper Thinkpad does not have issues with hibernation, or losing battery, or graphics, or any of the other things you mentioned. Not sure if my E495 would qualify as a "proper thinkpad", although I've read about the same issues on T series laptops, I've almost never managed to make my laptop sleep in the 3 years I've owned this laptop starting from kernel version 5.4.x to the present 5.19.x. Whenever I try to 'sy…

Conversely, I have a ThinkPad X1 running Fedora 36 (and, previously, 35), and it has never given me a problem ... well, other than because I messed with one too many things. The only thing I did was to disable the so-called "modern suspend" in BIOS and it has run like an absolute dream.

Not trying to contradict you. Just noting how even within one manufacturer's footprint (and "linux" however we define that for the purposes of this conversation) YMMV.

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Post by zitterbewegung »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #68

This is awesome! I still use my Pixelbook, and I love it, and was always dismayed that it seemed to be yet another great product that Google lost interest in. For folks wondering "who's the market in this?", the Linux container support in ChromeOS is awesome - my Pixelbook was actually a great dev laptop (I ran postgres, VSCode, Node, etc on it), just with age it's lack of upgrades is starting to show. So for me, on…

Honestly this is better because they need products to succeed so they stay in business.

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Post by toast0 »

NavinF wrote: post #297
xd1936 wrote: post #228

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They're right. I loved my Pixelbook (non-Go), but the Core i5[1] and i7[2] used pretty underpowered 7W CPUs. 1. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/97461/i... 2. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/95441/i...

Yep, this is why saying "an i5" is meaningless. It covers everything from "weaker than a modern phone" to desktop CPUs that pull 150W and perform as such.

It also covers models introduced from 2009 through today. It gives you an idea of how it was placed in the product lineup when it was launched, but not which product lineup, so... not very helpful.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by flkiwi »

xorcist wrote: post #310
Arainach wrote: post #244

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I'm glad you've had that experience, but it hasn't been mine. I've owned other laptops running Linux and have had plenty of coworkers with experiences as well. Heck, there's an entire team at Google dedicated (full of incredibly smart people who know way more about Linux than I ever will) to trying to get Linux running well on laptops. Plenty of people shared their experiences in this thread: https://news.ycombinator…

Not to take anything away from your experience, but drawing conclusions from threads like those is not the whole picture. That will be skewed against people who use problematic hardware, and say things like "the Linux way is tweaking everything". But it's really not. Linux is mainly for users, by users. You're going to a very diverse set of users and experiences. For every tweaker out there you're going to find someo…

The hackintosh world is fascinating, and a really useful analogy. It makes the Linux experience (which, in the last half decade, has been largely good) look utterly seamless and polished, at least with the bigger distros. I own a MBP and will continue to use Apple laptops, but their excellence depends entirely on controlling the entire end-to-end product. And there's nothing particularly weird or objectionable about that. But it makes what the Linux community has been able to do, supporting an almost arbitrarily large set of hardware, that much more impressive. (This, incidentally, is one reason I don't get into OS wars: they're all doing different things in wildly different ways, even if, for the most part, they're capable of the same core tasks.)

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by 8jef »

dheera wrote: post #298
IE6 wrote: post #272

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Because they want a Chromebook and they don't want Ubuntu with no desktop icons? I'm not sure what you're implying to be honest.

I mean, a desktop with a full-featured OS like Ubuntu (or Windows or Mac or whatever) can do so much more, and that justifies a higher price of the equipment. If I'm paying to have only Chrome and nothing else, I should be getting some kind of huge discount ... Would you pay more to have a dumb phone that only does calls, than a smart phone?

ChromeOS has real Linux with terminal, Android with any app store you fancy, frequent updates that probably won't break your stuff, it's sandboxed all around, one can skip Chrome and use Firefox (and VLC and others) either from apt, Flatpak AND/or Android, machines are mostly touchscreen, Libre Office full install possible, if your machine is beefy enough you get Krita, you can totally skip the Google experience apart from Parameters (I do), and I'm missing some other good points. What not to love (beside it's Google and whatever you do end up feeding the giant hdd serving ads Google really is)?

As one who always get second hand Chromebooks, right now is the time to get a like new Acer 713 with i5 or a new ThinkPad C13 with R5 on the cheap. I've got both this week (cost C$825 total), will end up keeping the best for my needs, give the other to a relative.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by qu4z-2 »

babypuncher wrote: post #16

What we've been asking for is a Framework running AMD hardware. What we're getting is a Framework running a stripped down Linux meant for schools and made by a spy company? I predict this thing not selling well, but I'm sure someone is excited.

Speak for yourself -- personally I'm asking for a 15" Framework with a Trackpoint and maybe built-in ethernet :)

I think we all have different demands. Hopefully with the modularish system they can gradually make us all happy.

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