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Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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A) How much money does it cost Google to fix a problem? B) How much money does it cost Google to not fix a problem? If A > B then, duh!

How many Google "engineers" do you need to change a lightbulb ?

Apparently, 10% less than they currently have?

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A) How much money does it cost Google to fix a problem? B) How much money does it cost Google to not fix a problem? If A > B then, duh!

How many Google "engineers" do you need to change a lightbulb ?

100: 1 to actually change the lightbulb and 99 to build a new chat app

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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It is incredibly strange to hear from you (and others in this thread) who don't have a spam problem with GMail. From everyone I've talked to, it seemed endemic. From my experiences with my own account (circa 2004), GMail has moved backwards in recent years. I'd say it became a serious problem a few years ago. Marking things as spam is useless because then you immediately start getting legitimate mail marked as spam.…

Zero spam in my inbox, zero items in the spam folder (where they are deleted after 30 days). GMail is not my primary email, though. I use it for Meetup.com, Slack, Steam, maybe one or two other things. A quick google search suggests that my email address does not appear on the internet. Maybe people not suffering from spam have similarly private addresses?

I'm pretty sure my main gmail account has actually been dumped in a hack somewhere, it's old as time itself, and I STILL don't get any spam in it.

In fact, I actually miss occasionally useful stuff because half my incoming email gets classified as "promotions" and put in a separate folder I never check that was automatically created when I made the account. It's stuff like emails from humble bundle about new bundles and GOG about sales etc, so spam-adjacent

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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Maybe the spammers learned about adversarial networks?

Any non-ML method would trivially catch these spammers though. They share the common traits of 1. Sending identical emails to large numbers of users. 2. Using fake emails from fake domains. 3. Not looking at all like a regular email. This is the stuff that 90s era spam filters could block.

> This is the stuff that 90s era spam filters could block.

But we are now in 2022. Those filters are loooong gone. I bet that in 20 years they will be sold as new technology.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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I get about 10 per day. They all seem to come from hacked O365/Gmail accounts. All 4 of my Gmail accounts are affected. It's all the same crap that's obviously spam. "Dear Friend, I hope this email finds you well. I need your assistance in a matter..." "You've been chosen!" "Home Depot/TruGreen/Dicks Sporting Goods/ADT-Security" "Invoice enclosed" "You've received a direct deposit..." "Hot sex " I would guess that Gm…

The "Dicks Sporting Goods" email is insane - probably hourly at the moment, from what would appear obviously bogus email senders. What is the non-obvious answer as to why these get through?

I would guess that gmail is using some kind of sender address reputation system, and these hacked accounts have high reputation on account of being used for legitimate mail traffic for a significant amount of time.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many Google "engineers" do you need to change a lightbulb ?

100: 1 to actually change the lightbulb and 99 to build a new chat app

How many GoogExes does it take to unscrew the lightbulb is the next question that comes to mind

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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I have similar issue, but with a different flavor: About 10 times per day I receive a blank email from an obviously throwaway spam account (e.g. vishal382190130 at gmail dot com) For the life of me I cannot understand the purpose or goal of these emails, from the spammers' point of view. I've heard the theory that spammers will send "test" emails to check if a destination account is active... But every day? All the t…

View source, in the ones I get like that there usually is content but for some reason it isn't being displayed.

Re: Ask HN: What's happening with Gmail spam filtering?

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I get about 10 per day. They all seem to come from hacked O365/Gmail accounts. All 4 of my Gmail accounts are affected. It's all the same crap that's obviously spam. "Dear Friend, I hope this email finds you well. I need your assistance in a matter..." "You've been chosen!" "Home Depot/TruGreen/Dicks Sporting Goods/ADT-Security" "Invoice enclosed" "You've received a direct deposit..." "Hot sex " I would guess that Gm…

There are no humans "handling" spam. It's done by AI.
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