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Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by nightpool »

gorhill wrote: post #137
nightpool wrote: post #68

I'm really happy that Gorhill has listened to feedback on the branding and explanation of this, and added back in the ability to "opt in" to extended permissions on individual sites. Thank you for your work, and I'm sorry if my comments in the preview HN thread came off as overly hostile, because given the original comments you made about MV3, I couldn't imagine this sort of outcome. I hope that you or someone else s…

> I'm still worried that without an MV3-compatible version of full uBlock Origin, users are still going to assume that "MV3 means that ad blockers are broken". They currently are when compared to their MV2 counterpart. The AdGuard MV3 version which came out earlier this month[1] shows this. Though it does its best to deal with the technical challenges which comes with MV3, the end result is poor efficiency- and relia…

I think most people would agree that it's important to add the ability to evict unused extension code from memory, which is what the fundamental move to a stateless ServiceWorker architecture is designed to support (since the previous stateful architecture required all extension background pages to be loaded regardless of whether they were actually doing anything). Being able to do that for the vast majority of extensions that that helps, without requiring extension authors to "opt in" to that change, is a very important goal.

But I agree that the heuristics for when to evict certain extensions (especially those with broad all-page access permissions) definitely remains tricky, and I hear you that Chrome's are currently too severe for this type of extension to be practical. I don't think that's a fundamental problem with the service worker model though—it seems easy to add a heuristic to cover this case like "If the extension has a async network request event registered and there's an active tab open that that extension has permissions to view, be very cautious in evicting it". In that case Chrome could still want to evict the service worker i.e. if the tab/browser is in the background and paused[1], so that it wouldn't be handling event loop / network requests anyway.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by doc_gunthrop »

runjake wrote: post #69
baal80spam wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You bet he should! To me, there are 3 projects I'd throw my money to: - uBlock Origin - ytdl - The Internet Web Archive

But, do you donate? https://archive.org/donate?origin=wbwww-TopNavDonateButton (Couldn't find links for uBo and ytdl. I've asked gorhill where to donate in the past and they've refused donations.)

A person who shops on amazon can shop using smile.amazon.com and have a percentage of their purchase payments go towards charities or other organizations. The Internet Archive is one of them.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by SleepilyLimping »

runjake wrote: post #69
baal80spam wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You bet he should! To me, there are 3 projects I'd throw my money to: - uBlock Origin - ytdl - The Internet Web Archive

But, do you donate? https://archive.org/donate?origin=wbwww-TopNavDonateButton (Couldn't find links for uBo and ytdl. I've asked gorhill where to donate in the past and they've refused donations.)

I refuse to donate to the Archive since the unpersoning of KiwiFarms.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by icelancer »

capableweb wrote: post #136
icelancer wrote: post #135

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Wikimedia is not unique. CharityWatch is a good place to start. Many high-rated nonprofits detail very specifically where all funding goes. https://www.charitywatch.org/ Also, Wikimedia may not be as transparent as you think. Here's more information on that, but the whole thread is worth reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32841892

Thanks yet again! So Wikimedia is a non-profit AFAIK, you have any idea why it's not listed on charitywatch.org?

It's on Charity Navigator. Not sure why it's not on CharityWatch.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/200049703

EDIT: However it is not updated for recent years. Likely because Wikimedia is not transparent enough with their financial statements.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by jbirer »

SleepilyLimping wrote: post #143
runjake wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, do you donate? https://archive.org/donate?origin=wbwww-TopNavDonateButton (Couldn't find links for uBo and ytdl. I've asked gorhill where to donate in the past and they've refused donations.)

I refuse to donate to the Archive since the unpersoning of KiwiFarms.

The funniest part of Kiwifarms is that they look and act like the people they make fun of.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by milderworkacc »

stuartd wrote: post #111
runjake wrote: post #69

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But, do you donate? https://archive.org/donate?origin=wbwww-TopNavDonateButton (Couldn't find links for uBo and ytdl. I've asked gorhill where to donate in the past and they've refused donations.)

From the uBlock repo: [0] > No donations sought. > Without the preset lists of filters, this extension is nothing. So if ever you really do want to contribute something, think about the people working hard to maintain the filter lists you are using, which were made available to use by all for free. [0] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

I know it is gorhill that wrote that, but I completely disagree that uBO is nothing without the filter lists. I use it the way I used to use uMatrix (rip) to default deny bits and bobs across the web, unblocking as necessary. It’s everything that NoScript should be!

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by gaurang_tandon »

staticassertion wrote: post #37

I guess the biggest issue I have with V3 is I don't really "get it". The idea was initially that extensions have too many privileges and that malware can leverage those privileges for harm. I'd love data here! This is such a good area to share information on, as someone in security I'd really value that. I'd like to see case studies on malware, or even broad things like "malware uses these permissions X% of the time"…

You are right about requiring more case studies. In the same context, MV3 extensions are being moved away from persistent background pages to ephemeral service workers. There's a thread and several very popular crbugs for how the web-based service workers don't work well for extensions (https://github.com/w3c/webextensions/issues/72). Given all this, the Chrome team continues with the change citing increased performance when using service workers. However, even when extension developers continue to come out with claims of decreasing performance, the Chrome team - as in the malware case - has not provided any case studies on how it is so sure about the increased performance (or efficiency, memory use, etc.) of SWs.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by [deleted] »

icelancer wrote: post #144
capableweb wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks yet again! So Wikimedia is a non-profit AFAIK, you have any idea why it's not listed on charitywatch.org?

It's on Charity Navigator. Not sure why it's not on CharityWatch. https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/200049703 EDIT: However it is not updated for recent years. Likely because Wikimedia is not transparent enough with their financial statements.

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Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by account42 »

runjake wrote: post #69
baal80spam wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You bet he should! To me, there are 3 projects I'd throw my money to: - uBlock Origin - ytdl - The Internet Web Archive

But, do you donate? https://archive.org/donate?origin=wbwww-TopNavDonateButton (Couldn't find links for uBo and ytdl. I've asked gorhill where to donate in the past and they've refused donations.)

I donated before but then they spammed me with nag-mails asking for more donations. Not going to support that kind of behavior.

Re: uBlock Origin Lite: Description

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Post by account42 »

SleepilyLimping wrote: post #143
runjake wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, do you donate? https://archive.org/donate?origin=wbwww-TopNavDonateButton (Couldn't find links for uBo and ytdl. I've asked gorhill where to donate in the past and they've refused donations.)

I refuse to donate to the Archive since the unpersoning of KiwiFarms.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Another reason not to donate to IA.
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