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Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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The pay is near top and the engineers are talented. There are a lot of systems in place to get you to work near max capacity all the time with little slowdown time. There are lots of processes and political upheavals that make it hard to ship code. Some people love it.

Can you give an example of a system that’s in place to ensure workers are near max capacity most of the time?

and rarely shipping, to boot!

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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They have a policy that XX% of engineers in a given department should* be given "Meets Most". If that's not stack ranking I'm not sure what would be. BTW "meets most" likely doesn't sound too bad to non-Metamates. Internally it's a pretty bad mark on your record. It doesn't directly relate to being fired but a ton of people quit when they receive it. I view it as sort of a "pre-PIP" state. (* Managers/directors will…

> "meets most" likely doesn't sound too bad to non-Metamates. Internally it's a pretty bad mark on your record. The kind of newspeak I've heard from multiple friends and former coworkers that ended up at FB/Meta at some point. Well, the ones that didn't fall into the cult of Mark. It might be because I'm getting older but this is the kind of stuff that makes me want to puke. The co-optation of language to exude an au…

Are you talking about "Metamates"—if so I said that ironically. I don't think I've ever heard anyone outside of the execs use that term when they weren't being sarcastic.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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The stock price dive at Meta is pretty clearly due to the $10B hit from Apple’s Do Not Track Feature. Meta should make a free Android phone that allows tracking.

Oh but they did! Meta leadership has always anticipated this risk. The problem is that they have not been able to fully mitigate it. Facebook Phone (rebranded HTC) was released in 2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_First but had poor sales. The metaverse is their next play to build a world where they are a bit more shielded from Apple/Google/Microsoft's hardware influence. Pivoting a large business is really hard…

I appreciate when people inside FB/Meta speak directly like this (as someone who loathes the Metaverse project)

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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The article highlights that the easiest way for these companies to let go of staff right now is to dissolve entire teams. I've heard from friends that work at these companies that recent hiring freezes have actually made managers more hesitant to fire low performers because anyone they fire can't be replaced and they'd rather have a low performer than no one at all. The team dissolving process seems to sidestep this…

>...they'd rather have a low performer than no one at all.

Seems contradictory to many modern interview process opinions that low performers introduce a net negative effect.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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post #14

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The stock price dive at Meta is pretty clearly due to the $10B hit from Apple’s Do Not Track Feature. Meta should make a free Android phone that allows tracking.

Do not track is an easy scapegoat, but I think the rise of TikTok is a larger factor. Meta lost users.

if this is tiktok they shouldnt worry for long i bet it will be banned before end of year

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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So you agree it's a downgrade in quality of life? Not sure what the point of this comment is other than being rude to people earning more than you.

Adjusting to drinking your own coffee rather than ordering Starbucks via uber 3 times a day is an easier adjustment from going to affording food to not affording it all. Didn't think it needed to be spelled out but there you go.

No one said otherwise, this is just a strawman. You don't have to be a dick just because something bad happens to someone doing better than you. Didn't think it needed to be spelled out but there you go.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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Some of these comments mentioned in the article coming from Meta's leadership about there being people who shouldn't probably be there or to get rid of coasters seems so inhumane and demoralizing. What kind of leadership is that? I mean it's understandable that businesses have to cut costs, but have some empathy, and understand how words affect people. Just wow. It's so cynical and depressing.

I like it. I really dislike working with under-performers and people who just refuse to do due diligence on their end. I dislike working with people who always want you to come over to their frame of mind rather than trying to get into yours or meet in the middle. I saw a ton of people coasting during Covid. People need to get negative feedback when they deserve it.

> I dislike working with people who always want you to come over to their frame of mind rather than trying to get into yours or meet in the middle.

I agree with due diligence, but the “frame of mind” argument is way to subjective.

What if, hear me out, in their opinion it’s me who refuses get in their frame of mind or meet them in the middle?

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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Some of these comments mentioned in the article coming from Meta's leadership about there being people who shouldn't probably be there or to get rid of coasters seems so inhumane and demoralizing. What kind of leadership is that? I mean it's understandable that businesses have to cut costs, but have some empathy, and understand how words affect people. Just wow. It's so cynical and depressing.

It also suggests that they have known about slackers and have been OK with it.

1. Very unlikely. Which means they're lying.

2. They are incompetent for keeping people that are slacking

If people are truly just slacking off then they should be let go as part of the normal business process. This focused effort to get leaner suggests that there are many known slackers that they were OK with up to this point.

There is really no reason to call people slackers even if it's true. They should have went the patreon route of saying they fucked up and hired too many people into roles that didn't provide as much value as they need.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a policy that XX% of engineers in a given department should* be given "Meets Most". If that's not stack ranking I'm not sure what would be. BTW "meets most" likely doesn't sound too bad to non-Metamates. Internally it's a pretty bad mark on your record. It doesn't directly relate to being fired but a ton of people quit when they receive it. I view it as sort of a "pre-PIP" state. (* Managers/directors will…

> "meets most" likely doesn't sound too bad to non-Metamates. Internally it's a pretty bad mark on your record. The kind of newspeak I've heard from multiple friends and former coworkers that ended up at FB/Meta at some point. Well, the ones that didn't fall into the cult of Mark. It might be because I'm getting older but this is the kind of stuff that makes me want to puke. The co-optation of language to exude an au…

See the comments in this thread and elsewhere about HR related issues and you can gauge how much plain speak is hated. So no wonder companies, HR departments resort to newspeak.

Re: Meta and Google are cutting staff

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post #54

They're also still recruiting

Just because a job gets posted doesn't mean it is actually available to be filled. The barrier to posting jobs to LinkedIn is extremely low. Don't let yourself be fooled into a false sense of confidence, you'd really need to test the process out to see if it yields an offer!

I don't mean jobs posted
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