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Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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The Canada convoy protest was peaceful, except for the bribery, threats, assault, dangerous driving and setting a building on fire. That and the $6 billion economic loss, or the fact that nobody wanted them there, or that the protesters were protesting the COVID-19 vaccination mandate. And if that's not enough the whole thing was funded from the United States by Donald Trump donors and an American billionaire called…

It’s difficult to respond to such a deeply distorted perception of reality, but I’ll try. The millions of people who supported this strong and effective display of resolve value their liberty so deeply that those subject to the “totalitarian impulse” are unable to comprehend it. The unprecedented measures of “group punishment” deployed to stop it were stunning in their overreach, and have re-set the assumptions of co…

What about the tens of millions of people who actively fucking hated it for being the cesspool of anti-rational, ethno-nationalist, nazi-enabling degeneracy it truly was?

Seems to me the folks in the fringe minority (as the convoy types are) are the ones with a "Distorted" perception of reality.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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No information on who the founders are and what their history is. I will never trust any institution that hides behind a business name when it comes to improving society. People behind the scenes need to be known and be held accountable to their creations.

This, so very much this. I flat out refuse to do business with any company or organization who hides who is profiting from the money I spend.

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It’s difficult to respond to such a deeply distorted perception of reality, but I’ll try. The millions of people who supported this strong and effective display of resolve value their liberty so deeply that those subject to the “totalitarian impulse” are unable to comprehend it. The unprecedented measures of “group punishment” deployed to stop it were stunning in their overreach, and have re-set the assumptions of co…

What about the tens of millions of people who actively fucking hated it for being the cesspool of anti-rational, ethno-nationalist, nazi-enabling degeneracy it truly was? Seems to me the folks in the fringe minority (as the convoy types are) are the ones with a "Distorted" perception of reality.

QED.

anti-rational? There is no risk in forced medical intervention on a global scale?

ethno-nationalist? Do you know who drives trucks here?

nazi-enabling? Wut?

fringe minority? Hundreds of thousands of families directly supporting with presence, materiel and finances in the face of threats from the highest levels of government, law-enforcement and (unified) media?

This example of a very, very commonly recited trope appears bizarre, when confronted by the reality of what actually happened, as observed by the people who were there, across the nation of Canada. But, since this support was conspicuously unreported in the media, how would people actually know how bizarre, how divorced from reality, it is?

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I support and believe in the freedom to be a left-wing radical.

The difference is that radical left-wingers usually want better wages, free, universal health care, free education, a solution to climate change, gun control, equal chances. Some of them also advocate for a societal transition to veganism, banning cars, and universal basic income. Radical left-wingers tend to reject political and business elites. They tend to reject religion. The radical right-wingers are white supre…

I honestly can’t tell if this is a parody or not.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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Competition is great, and you'll never see me use PayPal for personal concerns over their own anti-consumer practices, but I don't see any particular value in introducing side-shows to the event. Stripe was a real contender for PayPal because it was playing the same game. Now they actually compete. Introducing a "competitor" that is promising to NOT play the same game just means that it's a novelty. There is value in…

> I don't see any particular value in introducing side-shows to the event. I think that there's a nicer way to refer to the competition of large monopolists than as "side-shows."

Of course there are. Like I said, Stripe was competition. It wasn't a side-show because it didn't try to change the game without solid analytical data; instead it just played the same game and tried different methods of achieving the same goals. That's competition: We're both trying to get to the same place, and we're doing it differently.

But, again, I don't see the linked site as doing that. Instead, it's trying to say that it can achieve the same goals by playing an entirely different game. And that's fine, if they can back it up. But everything that does that is a side-show until they do.

A grocery store isn't competition to Wal-Mart or Amazon. If they want to be, they have to tackle the scale of supply and demand that those monopolists do. If they say "we're doing exactly what they did, just cheaper", that's competition. If they say "we're doing exactly what they did, but we have this localized scheme for deliveries that will save us a ton of money", THAT'S competition (assuming some evidence it's true). If they say "we're going to do something entirely different, and here's a bunch of convincing data to say why that would work, or work better", that is, once again, competition.

But if your grocery store says "we're going to do it completely differently, because we are aggrieved!", that is a side-show. There's nothing there to engender confidence. If the store says "we're going to do it completely differently, by doing it backwards because that SHOULD work out better", that is another example of a side-show. The salient bit being that it MIGHT work. That's what's great about capitalism. But you'll forgive me if I don't get too particularly enthused about yet another right-wing think-tank pivoting into new ways for people to invest a ton of money before they agonizingly drag out their corporate demise, insisting that they are doing "fine", the whole time. It's not myopic or short-sighted to contextualize real patterns that you've observed into actionable investment or divestment of interest.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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> I don't see any particular value in introducing side-shows to the event. I think that there's a nicer way to refer to the competition of large monopolists than as "side-shows."

Of course there are. Like I said, Stripe was competition. It wasn't a side-show because it didn't try to change the game without solid analytical data; instead it just played the same game and tried different methods of achieving the same goals. That's competition: We're both trying to get to the same place, and we're doing it differently. But, again, I don't see the linked site as doing that. Instead, it's trying to…

> right-wing think-tank

Who are you talking about?

> invest a ton of money before they agonizingly drag out their corporate demise

What is so challenging about the business that they're going into other than the fact that they will be under constant attack by censors and monopolists? They seem to be safe as houses otherwise, considering that they're requiring TINs and EINs from business customers, and W-9s and SSNs from individuals.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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On the flip side, every time I hear about some right wing nut getting deplatformed by paypal, I think to myself, "hey their service isnt as bad as I thought." Virtue signaling might bring them more business then they lose by tossing out a small number of fringe wackos.

Something in those words reminds me of what some people were saying in early 1930s Nazi Germany: "Serves them right. Goddamn Jews." "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for…

This is an extremely self-serving and deceptive quote from Niemöller, and its life is due to the fact that it works as poetry. The fact is that he cheered them on when they came for the socialists and the trades unionists. He only tacitly supported the rounding up of German Jews because, and I have to paraphrase here, he thought the Jews were "too smart" to "force" Hitler to kill them, and would just leave.

His mistake was his belief that the Nazis were good Lutherans rather than Jungian Hindu UFO mystics.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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The difference is that radical left-wingers usually want better wages, free, universal health care, free education, a solution to climate change, gun control, equal chances. Some of them also advocate for a societal transition to veganism, banning cars, and universal basic income. Radical left-wingers tend to reject political and business elites. They tend to reject religion. The radical right-wingers are white supre…

I honestly can’t tell if this is a parody or not.

To be fair most of us feels that way. Take a peek at Fox News, or Truth Social and Parler, or just look up what Trump, DeSantis or Abbott is doing these days. You tell me if it's a parody or not.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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Yes, and in the way the "censorship resistance" here is predicated on only the faintest family resemblance to censorship.

If removing an organization's ability to accept and send payments due to their entirely legal messaging isn't censorship, I'd like to see what is. If this organization is on the level, it would be a godsend for Palestinian or Yemeni charity organizations, who are constantly getting their payments screwed with and their accounts closed. Palestinians are cancel culture victim #1, and the only reason anyone has ever hea…

> If removing an organization's ability to accept and send payments due to their entirely legal messaging isn't censorship, I'd like to see what is.

You know what I'm going to say here: if it's a private company, they get to choose (modulo illegal discrimination) who they do business with. That doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make it censorship either.

Palestine deserves international recognition and their natural right to self-determination; they don't deserve a grift-driven cashout operation run by conspiracy theorists. The latter won't help them much, either.

Re: Parallel Economy: Censor-Resistant Payment Processing

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Yes. However much I support the ideals behind any given movement, I strongly believe that after you cross a critical threshold, let us call it the "setting things on fire line" you should stop being able to get paid through the banking system.

I very much doubt you would support everyone participating in the BLM riots last summer be removed from having a bank account.

Well, we have no way of verifying this, so I guess we'll have to make an argument based on something other than "but whatabout BLM?"
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