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Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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post #110

The only useful advice in there is to know the escape routes from your room, the rest sounds like it would have a net negative effect for the average person. Choosing your hotel room based on maneuverability in the event of an attack is not only completely pointless if you don't know how to maneuver in the event of an attack, but more importantly, for the average person, running those sorts of scenarios in your head…

What's the downside and carrying a doorstop with you and using it from the inside? I would love to hear. You sound like the kind of person who doesn't prepare because "oh you know it's so unlikely". In other words, the kind of person who accidents happen to.

> What's the downside and carrying a doorstop with you and using it from the inside? I would love to hear.

You're not only making it harder for bad guys to enter your room, but also for good guys, and for yourself to exit, in case any emergencies happen within your room.

It's not even clear that the benefits of blocking are net positive in all situations (depending on your individual characteristics and the environment, eg if you have a chronic illness and are in a relatively safe location), but the more general point of the post was that you should do a cost-benefit analysis (ie is the risk reduction worth the effort?), not look only at the benefits in terms of risk reduction.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often does this happen? Once in a life time? This is the kind of stuff that makes you go nutty. Of course you _can_ try to prepare for everything and anything, but does it actually make sense to worry about being in a flash flood like that? I doubt it.

Your comment makes me think of this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla#Corporate_securi... TL;DR: he got hired as a security officer for Morgan Stanley's WTC offices, and he made the employees regularly practice evacuations. > Rescorla wanted the company out of the building because he continued to feel, as did Hill, that the World Trade Center was still a target for terrorists and that the next attack c…

More about Rescorla's "epic death" — and his "epic life," as a "Celtic warrior," including legendary performance in combat as a young U.S. Army officer in the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley, written up in We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young — from the Washington Post shortly after 9/11: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2001/10/28/...

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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post #158
post #110

The only useful advice in there is to know the escape routes from your room, the rest sounds like it would have a net negative effect for the average person. Choosing your hotel room based on maneuverability in the event of an attack is not only completely pointless if you don't know how to maneuver in the event of an attack, but more importantly, for the average person, running those sorts of scenarios in your head…

You do you, but I found most of the advice highly useful, and actually enhancing convenience. Don't use hotel safe or under the mattress - yup, good advice, seen that before, and definitely need to think about valuables & passport storage at all times anyway. Book in advance and hand them copies of addresses, docs, passport over the counter - yup, great advice, also means you have a 2nd copy on you, which can be a li…

The probabilities of bad things happening are vastly different for an undercover operator than for ordinary people, that's why it doesn't make sense to blindly apply the model of a 'knowledgeable expert' for everyone. I didn't say "don't read maps beforehand", I was saying "don't be afraid to check a map when you're on the street".

This 'minimize risk at all cost' mindset is very similar to the helicopter parenting lifestyle where it's considered almost a crime to let your kids roam just outside the direct line of sight of their parents.

PS: also interesting to note that both critical comments ended with ad hominem attacks.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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"I put the TV on low, usually on CNN, and leave it on." Might as well just die.

I leave it on Fox News so they consider that I’m carrying and mildly insane.

I don't think people abroad would be able to spot the difference.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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It is about the same routine I follow. Specifically the "walk the emergency routes" since muscle memory can help you a lot when under stress. Missing one point: take a couple of business cards from the hotel with you. Whenever you need to get back, it most often makes it easier for people (cab drivers) to get you there without too much discussion and misunderstandings. Other points: - To be sure you have some clean w…

Are these still in the context of safety though? Or just your general business trip advice. The latter would make more sense.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They get suspicious when I pay for X occupancy but request X+Y keys.

Hotels routinely give me two cards when I check in--and certainly will if I ask. I usually stick one in my wallet and one in my bag or whatever so I'm less likely to accidentally leave the card in the room.

Usually you can stick anything that has the correct form into that slot. Even thin cardboard :)

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

#177
post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the downside and carrying a doorstop with you and using it from the inside? I would love to hear. You sound like the kind of person who doesn't prepare because "oh you know it's so unlikely". In other words, the kind of person who accidents happen to.

> What's the downside and carrying a doorstop with you and using it from the inside? I would love to hear. You're not only making it harder for bad guys to enter your room, but also for good guys, and for yourself to exit, in case any emergencies happen within your room. It's not even clear that the benefits of blocking are net positive in all situations (depending on your individual characteristics and the environme…

No effort for me, so yes, worth the effort.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

#178
post #141

Hailing from a country which was squarely third world just 25 years ago, this struck me as odd: > I open my laptop bag as if I am searching for something Don't make anyone think you have anything of value on you! Also don't carry a light, easy to steal bag. The laptop goes into your suitcase. As part of my routine when arriving at a hotel I study the fire exit map, maybe use the local vending machine, paying with coi…

> I used to carry an emergency high-value banknote in my back pocket so that in case the worst happened I would at least have some money on me. A friend does that; she refers to it as her "Don't Kill Me" money.

My "don't kill me" money shoots 9mm.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

#179

This guy neglects to mention wearing a bullet-proof vest when checking into a hotel, which makes me think he hasn't really thought this through. What if someone were to open fire on you while you're checking in to the hotel?

This is my worry at long security lines at airports: just a large volume of people without the tools to protect themselves in any way. Much insecurity.

I never fly. I don't trust TSA to keep me safe. If there's somewhere I can't go with my firearm, I won't go. I refuse to step foot in states without constitutional carry, unless I have absolutely no other choice.

Re: Hotel safety tips from a former intelligence officer

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post #3

Kind of cool to read but these are not any tips that a normal (non-paranoid) person will need to follow unless they are traveling to some seriously dangerous locations. Except maybe the tip not to use the hotel safe or leave money under the mattress, those are good. But do normal people really need to write their name down on pieces of paper and pass them across the desk with a wink to avoid their name being said out…

In 2010 I was working at a large hotel / convention center in Nashville, at about 8pm we were preparing for a massive event where a company had bought out one of the venues, the entire hotel was booked solid. In the days prior to this, we had torrential downpours and heavy rain but this was normal, until it wasnt. Out of nowhere we get reports that the underground tunnels in the hotel used for employees to get around…

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