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'Safety' is going to be the thing that kills personal liberty in this country.
We could eliminate food inspection and driver's licenses. That would increase liberty, but I don't think most people would find the freedom worthy of the cost.
NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Printing tickets? You guys need to decide is the US is ahead of the world or decades behind. What's next, being pulled over for speeding?
Nahhh, we will withold medical care if there are unpayed tickets.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you be okay with a drunk driver killing one of your family members? What if that could be prevented with tech like this? Does your personal liberty outweigh the need to keep people safe from tons of metal hurtling at them at insane speeds?
By your rationale why don’t you give up cars? If you care for your loved ones so much, Han them from using cars. Does your personal liberty outweigh the need to keep your family safe from tons of metal hurtling at them at insane speeds?
1. Buy a car because it’s required in order to literally feed yourself, or
2. Live in one of the highly desirable, expensive pre-war neighborhoods that remain walkable
Many Americans can’t just “give up cars” even if they wanted to. Car dependency is literally codified in out zoning and street building (MUTCD)
Maybe if car dependency wasn’t such a requirement in order to live, maybe if everyone could easily walk to the bar, we wouldn’t need alcohol detection in cars.
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#144The story buries the lede, the real win for them is driver-facing cameras. Can't wait until they install a printer so they can just print the tickets out right into my car.
Yes, absolutely. I often think about whether we should just go to the natural logical conclusion. Using GPS and speed data to automatically fine you if you speed and deduct from your linked bank account - you can contest this but you must pay first. I dislike cameras as it feels like you're constantly performing and if you slip up, you don't get to learn, instead your mistake is archived and put up for others to scru…
Like "and they just started selling bullet proof backpacks instead of adapting the Holy Documents by the Founding Fathers (pbuh)?"
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#145Instead of mostly attempting symptom mitigation, wouldn't it be a much better improvement for society if the relation (some?) Americans have with alcohol was repaired?
Like it or not (I’m ambivalent) this is a concrete measure that would presumably have measurable effects. What’s the equivalent for your proposed approach?
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#146Hmm. How will they check for alcohol? Would you still be able to drive home a car full of drunks while sober? Only with all windows open?
It's a solved problem today. See Interlock Breathalyzer.
https://www.columbusdefensefirm.com/causes-false-positive-br...
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#147Really looking forward to being convicted of a DUI for using mouthwash just before leaving the house. I'm pretty sure orange juice can do it too.
Here are more examples:
https://www.columbusdefensefirm.com/causes-false-positive-br...
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
'Safety' is going to be the thing that kills personal liberty in this country.
Don’t know why you put safety in quotes. You’re implying that this won’t make streets safer, by reducing drunk driving. But reducing drunk driving would in fact make streets safer. Our goal should be to have zero deaths related to common car usage and driving. For example, the backup camera is there to help reduce the number of people backing up over their own kids. This is a good thing. You can argue that this syste…
I'd also need to know an override mechanism exists because it seems like certain rare situations could arise where you need to operate a vehicle intoxicated, e.g. fleeing for your life in defense with a relatively low risk of injuring someone comparatively. I'm sitting at home sipping a scotch and hear an intruder come in who for some reason is an abusive person after me specifically in my life. I phone the police but also decide it's best if I can safely flee the area. Maybe the police could override it remotely, I don't know. Overall the edge cases seem difficult to deal with and infringe on others liberties. We start talking about the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few and trolly problems with different counts of people on different tracks.
I'm just throwing some hypothetical out, it may not be good, but my point is that rare situations can occur and because you were partaking in a legal activity like drinking, due to an emergency change in situation that wasn't predictable, you suddenly need to drive because the risk is now higher than drunk driving. Perhaps a tornado is approaching your house or abusive spouse is out to kill you...
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#149Would it not be way more useful if the NTSB focused on road design? As someone from Europe I oftentimes see very wide roads in the USA with a maximum speed of 15 mph or something, their design does not stop one from driving 50+ mph, however. In Europe, you often see that if there's a lower maximum speed, the width of the road is reduced, and obstacles are placed to ensure you actually can't drive significantly faster…
You don’t need alcohol detection in cars if everyone can just walk or bus safely to their neighborhood bar or friends. Virtually nobody wants to drive drunk, but it’s basically encouraged by the way we design our cities.
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#150Instead of treating everyone like a drunk driver they should just better enforce the current laws. Make a single DUI a ten-year loss of license and a DUI leading to a fatality an automatic life without parole and you will see a lot fewer people doing it.