The feature comparison says that Thunderbird "Can only send plain text and HTML", but when I check the source of my outgoing mail it's sends it as plain text (Thunderbird client 102.2.2, not upgraded yet to 102.3). Perhaps the BetterBird feature is an extra per message inline option?
Thunderbird can change this setting per message as well. In one of the menus (maybe Tools or Options or something, I can't remember), under Delivery Format.
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Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
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If 90% of the community think you’re a jerk then it’s probably you that’s the jerk.
Where's the vote? > If 90% of the community think you’re a jerk then it’s probably you that’s the jerk. Or it's a community of Jerks. Proud boys think I am a jerk, for sure.
If you think they’re jerks then don’t join in.
If they think you’re a jerk they won’t want you to join in.
It’s not the mystery you’re making it out to be. If many people tell you that by their norms you’re rude then by definition you’re rude as that’s the definition of rude - not meeting social norms for interaction in a given situation which is causing people to be upset.
If you don’t understand their norms or why they’re upset, that’s your issue to work on not theirs.
> Proud boys think I am a jerk, for sure.
Yeah so you probably wouldn’t be welcome at a Proud Boys meeting. That’s fine. Did you think this was a ‘gotcha’? You’re arguing against your own position!
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
The email reprinted in that PDF makes me irrationally angry to read. I hope there's an ebuild for Betterbird soon, because after reading that I'm not sure I want anything to do with Thunderbird anymore. Quote: > * No interaction with any of the people involved. This includes > o No interactions with Thunderbird community members, paid contributors, and Thunderbird Council members. > o No interactions in any official…
What would you propose as an alternative to people who just… constantly fill mailing lists with attacks on people or the like? Reasonable people don’t need to have such harsh actions applied of course. But reasonable people don’t end up getting to this point! I am a bit partial to messaging when someone is banned like this, but there are definitely cases where people will just keep on arguing about something forever…
A mailing list ban. "no contact" in a general is a modification of freedom of expression and/or association, and way beyond the authority of a dev community.
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
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> Are you sure they don't? I've seen conversations with or without me on either side of the spectrum, so it's not a given. > And how do you know? By writing neutral, simple, kind e-mails and messages to people. > You have to be understanding too and know when you are wrong too and when other people are right. Asking something you don't know to someone you never contacted before cannot contain the points you mentioned…
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Which I try to form by querying as many people as possible from as many countries as possible, which my job requires on a daily basis.
> I could be one that think that your insistence on writing that your messages are "kind and neutral" it's a sign of arrogance.
Of course you can, by your standards. By my colleagues from many different nationalities and age groups does not share your sentiment.
> You are not neutral, you think everyone is like you and what you find neutral and kind, is actually neutral and kind.
No. I have no assumptions, no expectations. I just converse like me, and they converse like them. When I no longer want to deal with the other person/party. I just tell the reason and leave. Who am I to expect something from someone? God?
> What you wrote is the equivalent of saying to a depressed person "just don't be sad".
No. That was not my intention, if it sounded like that, I'm sorry about it.
> And some people don't.
And, that's OK.
> That doesn't mean they are evil or what they say it's wrong.
Did I ever told anything like that? I don't think so. I also don't think that way. So, this is a wrong assumption to start with.
> And anyway, anyone will die eventually, so it's not really a threat if someone's has a death wish and the medicine was prescribed to alleviate that death wish.
Just don't move the goalposts there, OK?
> Welcome to planet Earth, among humans, that are in majority different from you and come in majority from a culture different from yours.
I cherish this difference for a very long time, both in work and personal life.
> You sound very young to me, from what you write and what you think.
You're making a mistake here, but I'll leave the details out.
> You lack empathy, which is problematic to me.
Oh. Normally I'm not like that, but today's very stressful. I might have lost some of it today. Honestly, sorry.
BTW, your tone is not very emphatic and kind either. You mentioned that you're a soulless robot. You sound like you're very far from it.
> You actually believe that guilt trips are a good solution, when in fact they are much worse for mental health, especially for young people
Actually no. I pay special attention to not guilt-trip people. This is very cruel. If I did it, again, honestly sorry about it. I need to look into it. I've mirrored some of your tone and reused your words intentionally in my conversation to mirror yourself to you, and if that hurt, you need to look into it. I'd rather hurt myself rather than other people tho.
> You don't realize, probably, that manipulating people in doing something it's wrong.
Again, I never, ever manipulate people. You're starting to put a lot of assumptions on top of me. This is disconcerting. I'm not telling you're doing the same, but you need to do some soul searching, seriously.
> It is called argument from false premise.
Actually, it's a question, where its answer might be completely different from what I guess, and this is OK. I'm not trying to be right, I'm trying to query.
Honestly, I live read and answered your comment Q&A style, and arrived somewhere I never guessed. Some of the assumptions you put on me are borderline disturbing. I have taken some notes for myself, but you really need to reflect, too.
I'm closing this conversation here, for now, because I'm out of free time and need to handle these stressful things I've mentioned. If you want to continue further, you can reach me via my info page.
Take care.
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thunderbird can change this setting per message as well. In one of the menus (maybe Tools or Options or something, I can't remember), under Delivery Format.
If you hold down the shift key when pressing the “reply” button, it switches from your default format to the other one for that mail.
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a feature comparison link on the front page in the second paragraph.
Does this fork provide Debian packaging for autoupdates? If not, that is one feature that is missing from the project and from the feature comparison...
Taken from the FAQ site
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you hold down the shift key when pressing the “reply” button, it switches from your default format to the other one for that mail.
Thanks. How did you find out?
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The issues laid out in this[0] email thread are pretty concerning Can you describe what is concerning? I'm not going to look into email threads just because someone says there is something concerning there. What are your concerns? I'm not here to defend them, but I am lazy. If there are concerns, what are they? I figure if they're concerning enough, they can be described in a few sentences.
It's not very long, but to summarize: it is alleged that the developer violated community participation guidelines in several different ways, and thus is temporarily suspended. The developer replies that the council does not have the authority to suspend them for ; the only response to the allegations was that arguing in bad faith (only one of the several allegations) was impossible to prove.
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
The email reprinted in that PDF makes me irrationally angry to read. I hope there's an ebuild for Betterbird soon, because after reading that I'm not sure I want anything to do with Thunderbird anymore. Quote: > * No interaction with any of the people involved. This includes > o No interactions with Thunderbird community members, paid contributors, and Thunderbird Council members. > o No interactions in any official…
What would you propose as an alternative to people who just… constantly fill mailing lists with attacks on people or the like? Reasonable people don’t need to have such harsh actions applied of course. But reasonable people don’t end up getting to this point! I am a bit partial to messaging when someone is banned like this, but there are definitely cases where people will just keep on arguing about something forever…
> But reasonable people don’t end up getting to this point!
Sigh.
My face now has a permanent dent where my forehead was. Grievous bodily harm caused by facepalm.
Re: Betterbird: a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird
#130I am a Thunderbird user since forever, but... I don't know. I want to like Betterbird, but the fact that the author gives so many details about his crusade against Mozilla, puts me off. It looks like revenge-driven development. I don't want to take sides. I just want to read my emails.
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