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President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

All flights out of Russia are now booked out with millions of people trying to escape mobilisation.

If the Western leaders had any foresight, they would come up with a scheme that enables them to do so and drains Putin's manpower. Anything from rebuilding Ukraine to getting them a free ticket to Brazil.

Unfortunately, as demonstrated by dependancy on Russian gas, western leaders have the foresight of a frog.

The recent visa restrictions only help government propaganda that the West hates the russian people so you must fight.

Also braindead decisions like language test centers banning Russians so now you can't get a test to apply for a job or visa.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by kirso »

Despite the sad news this thread reads like all technologists of HN suddenly became military professionals and strategists whilst utilising the bubble sort strategy to call out for nuclear war, full scale conflict or just territorial gains.

I mean nothing is as simple as it seems...

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by paganel »

thinkingemote wrote: post #59

Will the winter and the frozen ground give advantages to Russia? When is this likely to happen? I heard that the February invasion was too late and that the thaw was beginning, hampering access.

According to Shoigu (their minister of Defence) they'll use the conscripted men in order to secure the existing front-line, which is quite long. Couple that with the incoming referendums during which the regions that now Russia controls in Southern and Eastern Ukraine will vote for an annexation to Russia, which makes me doubtful that the Russian Army will try and make a push further North across the Dnieper or even towards Mykolaiv or Odessa. Not sure though what will happen with the part of Donetsk region that they do no presently control, i.e. to cities like Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. As such, I don't think that the ground being frozen or not will have such a big effect going forward.

Of course, I might be wrong on all this and the Russians launching a new offensive on Kiev and Kharkov.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by diimdeep »

It is usually recommended here to read information from sources, here:

Address by the President of the Russian Federation (English transcript) [1] (video in Russian, no subs)[2]

[1] http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69390

[2] http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69390

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by sereja »

nindalf wrote: post #26

Putin's approval rating since the war began has been a steady 80%+ ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra... ). We don't know yet what September's numbers will look like, but it will likely take a hit from the retreats and losses of territory to the Ukrainians this month. Mobilization is going to drop that further. People are ok supporting a war in the abstract, but less so if they have to go…

The mobilization only includes people who formerly served in the military (at least 1-2 years of training). A certain percentage of them are "reservists" who work normal jobs but are summoned for a month-long military training every year to be ready in the case of war, and so they will probably be prioritized (at least according to Putin & Shoigu).

This is not cannon fodder. Russia is running out of willing soldiers, not soldiers in general.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by elurg »

88840-8855 wrote: post #70
MasterYoda wrote: post #28

I really hope the russian/kreml/putin war against Ukraine will end in a epic failure for them. I also hope that frozen russian assets in west can be confiscated to build up Ukraine again, russia has to be accountable and pay for all madness and horrific things they have done.

Oh yeah, super good idea. We had fantastic experience with humiliated nations before. It worked so well for Germany after WW1 /s FACT: the end of this war must be positive for the Russian people, no matter whether Russia loses or wins the military operation. Putin came to power because the West didnt help the former Soviet republics. If Russia is left alone humiliated again then we will have the next anti-western sys…

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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by reaperducer »

camjw wrote: post #65
_ph_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ukraine can do it, if it gets supplied with the weapons to do it. Even with the weapons they got so far, they managed to hurt the Russian military a lot - hence the mobilization. They got some very powerful weapons, but still limited in number and choice. Just delivering long-range ammunition for HIMARS in large numbers might be enough to break any Russian offensive as all supply and all fixed positions were easy…

Calling Ukraine "The Ukraine" is a Russian tactic to make Ukraine seem less like a country and more like a region. Quoting from wikipedia: > However, since Ukraine's declaration of independence in 1991, [calling Ukraine "The Ukraine"] has become politicised and is now rarer, and style guides advise against its use. US ambassador William Taylor said that using "the Ukraine" implies disregard for Ukrainian sovereignty.…

He's probably not trying to marginalize Ukraine. Billions of people grew up with that language, and it just takes time to get used to the change.

The world used to call Argentina "The Argentine," but that changed, too. There are a number of similar examples in the last hundred years or so.

Not everything is overnight, and your own link states that the change in terminology is both political, and recent. And while Wikipedia states the change was 1991, it's not like every person on the planet got a memo in the mail the next day letting them know what the new, approved, language is. For millions, it's still newish information.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

bjourne wrote: post #103

Can someone Russian explain what on earth they are thinking? Russia appears to have 10x the casualties as Ukraine, soldiers that doesn't really want to fight, and are currently losing. Yet the leaders think it is a good idea to keep the war going? To me it seems that with the material Ukraine is receiving from the West they will easily retake all territory Russia has occupied.

>Russia appears to have 10x the casualties as Ukraine

Reliable source? That isn't what I read anywhere from not-so-partial sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by TillE »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #71
checkyoursudo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s basically Russia telling the west they are serious about escalating if they keep pushing. I think that's the message Russia believes it is conveying. The information I think they are really signaling (outside of the rhetoric), and what I suspect Nato sees, is that Russia is conceding that it cannot win and hoping its bluff will freeze the conflict, which I don't think it will do.

Russia remains a nuclear power. NATO should be and is careful. I agree they know they can’t win but they now need an exit ramp. That’s what I personally read in their posture. It would probably be wise to give them one.

The "exit ramp" is that they withdraw from Ukraine, or at the very very least they withdraw to the lines that existed before 2022.

I'm really not sure what else people who say this mean.

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